2008’s Top Ten Christian Bashers
- Posted by: Todd
- Posted on: Thu, January 15, 2009
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Here’s the link to the countdown...
What do you think?
Todd
Yes, someone at the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission (didn't know there was such a thing, but I'm sure they're doing a bang-up job) actually took the time (for our enjoyment) to put together a list of the top ten moments in Christian bashing over the past year. Making the list is, of course, Bill Maher. But also on the list is Jack Black, ESPN Radio's Dana Jacobson, and, of course, Barack Obama. (What!?) This list is interesting... but it makes me ponder if anyone out there will start an Anti-Christian Anti-Defamation Commission to do a top ten list of things that Christians do to attack non-Christians...Anyway...
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ianmcn on Thu, January 15, 2009
Why aren’t Ingrid or Ken on the list?!
Greg Simmons on Thu, January 15, 2009
Yet again these examples should remind us that many Liberals are the most closed minded individuals you will meet. Although they supposedly stand for openness, diversity in opinion and the free exchange of ideas, it is abundantly clear that this is only true when one agrees with their position.
Shawn on Thu, January 15, 2009
Seems to me this should be called “2008’s Top Ten Christian Bashers To Pray For.”
Bart on Thu, January 15, 2009
“by any biblical and historic Christian standard” Obama is not a Christian. President Bush says that there are many ways to get to heaven. “By any biblical and historical Christian standard” president Bush is not a Christian. Same reasoning applies.
Secondly I happen to know Charles Grassley and to put him on the list for calling for accountability in non-proffit status makes me throw out the whole list.
Eric Frisch on Thu, January 15, 2009
Not to sound cynical, but anybody who would found a group called the “Christian Anti-Defamation Commission” is kind of looking for it.
Pat on Thu, January 15, 2009
I actually like Bill Maher. When you get past some of his most vulgar, offensive comments, he’s a thinker. I think it would be interesting to have a conversation with him only if he would agree to be civil and allow us to have real dialogue.
CS on Thu, January 15, 2009
Pat:
“I actually like Bill Maher. When you get past some of his most vulgar, offensive comments, he’s a thinker. I think it would be interesting to have a conversation with him only if he would agree to be civil and allow us to have real dialogue.”
That’s the catch. He sees mankind as stupid and cannot put down the airs of condescension to have meaningful and good debate about the Christian faith. In other words, he’s a jerk.
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CS
Shane Vander Hart on Thu, January 15, 2009
I don’t like Bill Maher, but this list is really a waste of time. What good does it do? Doesn’t Jesus promise we’ll be treated this way. Let’s just make sure that we experience ridicule because our walk with Christ, not because we are being mean-spirited or just plain goofy.
Michael Schutz on Fri, January 16, 2009
I find it curious that they can criticize Barak Obama for being a self-identified Christian at #3, and then vigorously defend Sarah Palin at #2 for the exact same thing. I know there are differences, but apparently the CADC can see into Obama’s heart, while Palin’s confession is good enough for them. And on both counts, their political stances define their Christianity.
I guess Jesus was a Republican after all.
John the Fisherman on Fri, January 16, 2009
That’s just the “liberal media” again, Michael.
Katrina on Thu, January 22, 2009
Since when is the pope a Christian? Religious….very!! Christian?....not by Biblical definition or discernment.
Wendi on Thu, January 22, 2009
I agree with Eric, founding the “Christian Anti-defamation Commission” is like saying, “come on, bash us, we dare you.”
Katrina – since “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” – and since the Pope gives evidence of “calling on the name of the Lord” – but since we all know that genuine “calling on” is a heart issue – and since none of us can look into the heart of the Pope (or one another) - - - shouldn’t we leave the discerning of who is and is not “Christian” to the Holy Spirit?
Wendi
Katrina on Sun, January 25, 2009
Wendi,
Anyone who teaches that Mary is co-redeemeer(attribute of God) with Christ our Lord, was born without original sin (attribute of God), was bodily assumed into heaven (attribute of God), is mediator between God and man (attribute of God), was a perpetual virgin (refuted by Scripture) and has the ability to hear our prayers all at the same time (attribute of God) is a false teacher. Anyone who teaches that the Atonement for sin by Jesus Christ was somehow ineffecient and therefore there is need of a “purgatory” that person is a false teacher. The pope is the leader of the catholic faith. He is considered infallible (and attribute of God) whenever he speaks “ex cathedra”. He is called Holy Father (an attribute of God) and does not correct anyone who does so. He teaches that Jesus Christ is pulled down from heaven onto the altar when the sacrament of communion is performed and the wafer and wine turns into the actual body and blood of Jesus each and every time. According to Paul, if he or an angel from heaven teach any other gospel other than the one he preaches, let them be ananthema…..
So Wendi, does Paul need correcting by you as well? I don’t need to look into his heart to know that the pope does not know
God for he preaches a different Gospel. The Holy Spirit cannot reside in someone that deliberately teaches a message that is absolutely and completely UNBIBLICAL. The fruit tells us of the tree.
Wendi on Sun, January 25, 2009
Katrina –
I know full well the doctrinal problems with the Catholic Church. I also know many, MANY, catholic people who love Jesus and follow His teaching much more closely than do many of my evangelical friends who have very sound doctrine. Doctrine aside, I am unwilling to label someone an unbeliever who loves and follows Jesus, and whose life demonstrates much more fruit than . . . well you know how I’ll fill in that blank.
I am persuaded that someone can be both saved and used by God who lives their whole life with some serious doctrinal problems (both you and I might be that person). From the days of the early creeds until the Reformation (and afterwards), church history shows that those who followed Christ struggled with doctrinal issues. I believe these were Christian men and woman doing their best to figure it out and follow Jesus.
For these reasons, I refuse to judge the salvation of the Pope or any of my Catholic brothers and sisters.
Wendi
CS on Mon, January 26, 2009
Wendi:
Yes, you are correct in that religious affiliation does not necessarily match up with salvation status. Someone participating in the Catholic, Mormon, or even Jehovah’s Witnesses faith could be soundly saved. It’s not likely, but it can and does happen from time to time. And conversely, someone in the most orthodox of churches could be warming a pew while biding their time before going to Hell.
At the same time, we have to take a stand and call people out when their doctrine is so egregious on those primary-level issues. Like it said in Romans 16:17:
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”
So when we have someone that says something like,, “I believe that Jesus Christ is a created being and the spirit brother of Lucifer,” (like the Mormons) we must clearly say to him that he does not have the true Christ, and were he to die, he would go to Hell (2 John 1:9-11).
In the case of the Pope, I won’t call him The Antichrist like the Reformers did, but I will say that if he believes, lives, and acts upon what his religion practices and proclaims, and believes in salvation through said church, he will go to Hell when he dies. And there’s nothing wrong with saying that to warn others from the same fate.
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CS
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