Church Billboard Responds to Thief: “Stealing from God… Ballsy”
- Posted by: Todd
- Posted on: Thu, April 03, 2008
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You can also check out their website here.
Thanks for the heads, up Steve!
What do you think about Kinetic Church’s plans to reach out to the thief who stole nearly everything they had?
Ok... here's the scenario: You're a theatre church, and one of the trailers that houses all of your church's stuff is stolen. What is your response? Well, when this happened to Kinetic Church, they decided to go on the offensive, purchasing billboards and creating a Youtube Video aimed directly at the thief. Take a look...
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Mandy on Tue, April 08, 2008
CS,
Thank you for letting me know that my changed life means nothing. All the healing I’ve received clearly must be in my imagination.
MCW
Peter Hamm on Tue, April 08, 2008
CS,
Changed lives does not necessarily = “feelings”. You made a bit of a logical leap to make your assertion.
Changed lives has ALWAYS been the measure of the church. People who don’t follow Jesus turned into people who do, and all that entails, changed minds and changed lives. people who love like Christ did.
CS on Tue, April 08, 2008
Peter:
“Changed lives does not necessarily = “feelings”. You made a bit of a logical leap to make your assertion.”
Please go back and reread my post. I addressed the one topic of the “changed lives” comment first, then moved on and addressed the topic of “feelings” second. I separated the two because they should not be lumped together.
Also, did you take a look at that article that I recommended about changed lives being the focus of churches? It had some interesting insight.
Mandy:
I understand your emotions here. It’s easy to perceive that someone may be speaking directly about you instead of in generalities when we discuss things in this forum. Instead, please take a look (objectively) at my comments, such as the question about Ephesians and Collossians, and let me know what you think.
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CS
Peter Hamm on Tue, April 08, 2008
CS,
Nobody mentioned feelings except you, right? Thus, and both MCW and I interpreted you this way, you were lumping changed lives and feelings together, then quoting an article that had little if any connection to what we are talking about.
That is what I meant when I said that you were stretching your logic.
Leonard on Tue, April 08, 2008
CS, I would also say you are arguing form absence. You are assuming something about the church based upon what is not said. If you are not you are communicating that you are. I doubt anyone at Kinetic only measures their church by feelings and not the word being faithfully taught. I would also say that changed life is a huge measurement for the church. Changed lives alone? No but certainly changed lives. This is what we call redemption.
Try not to look for arguments where none exist.
matt clum on Tue, April 08, 2008
i am extremely familiar with kinetic and have worked with people from the church, i think what they are doing is awesome, and as a christian, i completely support their efforts. I also think its a great witness to the surrounding areas, although the words they use may not flow with some, to others it may be a door opener, ballsy if you ask me. Kenitic you have 2 thumbs up from me. and kevin whats up man haven’t talk to you in a while, where are you at now, we should grab coffee? hit me up [removed]
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CS on Tue, April 08, 2008
Peter and Leonard:
“Nobody mentioned feelings except you, right?”
No, Mandy/MCW was the one who brought up feelings. She was using them in a list of things justifying Kinetic church, saying that we could not judge her church until we experienced it.
She said, “When we meet for Worship, God is there. You can feel His presence in that theater like a thick morning mist. He is there and He is alive. Don’t judge us until you come and experience it for yourself.”
So, by her statement, the experiential factor of feelings is one of the credentials in evaluating Kinetic Church. Her church is good because of the feelings, and we cannot talk about it until we go there and feel it ourselves. I said that feelings should not be used as the barometer for the church’s validity, and that objective measurements have to be used.
All of this was in the midst of the larger post, talking about changed lives and such. But, somehow that all got mixed up as people read through the threads.
Moving on…
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CS
Peter Hamm on Tue, April 08, 2008
No CS. Experience doesn’t necessarily = feelings either, imho.
You can indeed, not judge her church till you experience it. That doesn’t mean “feel it” necessarily…
CS on Tue, April 08, 2008
Peter:
“You can indeed, not judge her church till you experience it.”
I know this will come out snooty, and I apologize for this, since it’s one of those questions that are hard to soften.
What verse says that?
When is experiencing a church a requisite for making a decision about it? I know, based upon videos and things in the press, for instance, that Doug Pagitt’s church, Solomon’s Porch, has bad teaching and doctrine, and can say that it is heretical. But, I’ve never had to travel to the city in which it is located or sit through a service there.
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CS
Leonard on Tue, April 08, 2008
CS, forgive me but it seems you are looking for arguments where none exist. Mandy, I am so glad God has changed your life through your church. I am out of this one…
Wendi on Tue, April 08, 2008
To the Kinetic members who have logged in –
I hope you hear from most of the posters here that we affirm what we hear from you about your church and are praising the Lord with you for the work He has done through your ministry. Those of us who bristle at the term “ballsy” still appreciate many things about your church.
Still, I have not heard any Kinetic member explain how billboards that say sarcastic things like “enjoying our communion trays?” or “ever worry about lightening strikes?” are designed to reach the unchurched and encourage them to check out your church. There is something wrong about trying to make the thieves squirm, in light of Jesus’ words “if your enemy takes your shirt, give him your coat . . . if he takes your trailer, give him your car too”
Wendi
AM on Thu, April 10, 2008
Dear CS,
“And now let me show you the most excellent way…
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” I Corinthians 13:1-7
I don’t know if you know this or not, but you really come across as hateful in these threads. Your cymbal is clanging, and your knowledge seems intact, but where is your love?
-AM
CS on Thu, April 10, 2008
AM:
You’re right. On some of these threads I have come off as a bit blunt in my delivery, or sharp in my reply. And this is something on which I have honestly been working and repenting.
At the same time, my fire is ignited when I see those in the faith (or who profess to be in the faith), who are doing actions that are detrimental, destructive, or counter to the faith. And we have to stand in these areas and call out those who are doing harm to Christianity, who lead the lost and our brothers and sisters astray. We cannot waver here.
If you have any practical insights on how to balance both, please do let me know. I would love to hear any strategies on showing compassion, yet rebuking error.
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CS
Peter Hamm on Fri, April 11, 2008
Hey CS,
I don’t actually think you’re rude at all. Just wanted to affirm you a little. We often disagree, but I think you take a respectful tone.
You certainly don’t come across to me as “hateful”.
Wendi on Fri, April 11, 2008
CS –
I don’t find you hateful either, and we too generally disagree.
However, I need to take issue with one element of your last comment. When you say things like . . .
[At the same time, my fire is ignited when I see those in the faith (or who profess to be in the faith)]
. . . you are indicating that you question the genuineness of someone’s Christianity. On this thread, who are you claiming is only “professing faith” instead of being “in the faith”? Pastor Dave and his supporters from Kinetic Church for using the word “ballsy”? The MMI posters who disagreed with you?
When I read these kind of comments, I agree with AM, you are clanging like a cymbal.
Wendi
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