Liberty University Could Be Turning Out “Pistol Packin’ Preachers” Soon
- Posted by: Todd
- Posted on: Wed, October 29, 2008
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Ben Neiman, head of Liberty’s chapter of SCCC insists responsible students have more cause to carry concealed weapons than stopping crazed gunmen.
What do you think? Good idea or terrible one?
According to WorldNetDaily.com, students at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., have successfully petitioned the college to consider lifting a ban on carrying guns on campus. Members of Liberty's Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, or SCCC, brought the matter before the school's chancellor, Jerry Falwell, Jr.
Falwell told the local newspaper, ""We just have a group on campus that's been promoting that idea, and I really don't have a good feel for whether our community would support it or not." He said he really doesn't have an opinion on the matter.
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Tommy O'Keefe on Wed, October 29, 2008
From my perspective that sounds like a horrible idea. With the multiple school shootings that have happened over the last several years, I think it would be quite foolish to permit students to carry weapons of any kind on campus.
Matt Thisse on Wed, October 29, 2008
I am LU grad and I think it’s crazy that they’re even going to consider it. I’m glad people didn’t carry when I was there.
Cindy K on Wed, October 29, 2008
I am so torn on this subject. I personally don’t like guns. The rest of my family have permits to carry, and they do. I understand and endorse their right to do so. So this next portion of the article seemed important to me:
“Ben Neiman, head of Liberty’s chapter of SCCC, however, insists responsible students have more cause to carry concealed weapons than stopping crazed gunmen.
“We realize mass attacks (IE like Virginia Tech) are something that get the headlines,” Neiman said in a WRVA-radio interview, “but it’s really the everyday problems of assaults, rapes and the occasional murders on college campuses that make the real numbers. These are the things we’re trying to prevent.
“We carry off campus for that same reason, and we really don’t think that we’ll show any less discretion [on campus],” he said.”
Wow. If you can get a gun permit to carry a firearm from the State how can, and why would they keep you from carrying one on campus?
CS on Wed, October 29, 2008
Tommy O’Keefe:
“From my perspective that sounds like a horrible idea. With the multiple school shootings that have happened over the last several years, I think it would be quite foolish to permit students to carry weapons of any kind on campus.”
Did you notice that it was also illegal on those campuses for those shooters to carry firearms there, too? It didn’t seem to stop them.
To the contrary, I would rather have the ability to be armed in a legal manner so that should something like a school shooting happen, I would have a chance to stop it. Or, for general protection, should someone try to harm me or my friends or family.
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CS
bishopdave on Wed, October 29, 2008
“but it’s really the everyday problems of assaults, rapes and the occasional murders on college campuses that make the real numbers. These are the things we’re trying to prevent.”
How big a problem are those at Liberty?
Eric Joppa on Wed, October 29, 2008
I agree with CS,
The reason for our 2nd amendment right to bear arms is for protection. Protection from the government should it become necessary, and protection from those who would do evil toward our person. It may not be a good idea for some people to carry guns, but the right to do so is important.
If there would have been someone armed in one of those classes at VA Tech, there my have been a great deal less blood shed.
Just my $.02
Michael on Wed, October 29, 2008
@bishopdave,
You’d be surprised at how often those things happen on Christian campuses. I attended a bible college in the Hudson Valley area (NY) that had at least one incident each year I was there, including assault, battery, mugging, and attempted rape—the assault and battery cases were all committed by fellow students, the mugging committed by a group of men from the surrounding area who were lurking around campus at night. They never caught the guy who committed the attempted rape. During my second semester of my freshman year, I started carrying a clip point hunting knife with me wherever I went, for my own protection and the protection of people around me. I’m with the SCCC on this one.
Jim on Thu, October 30, 2008
John Jay, the first Chief Supreme Court Justice appointed by George Washington wrote quite extensively about the Second Amendment. He wrote that an armed society was a permanent balance between a standing army, controlled by the government, so that a corrupt government could not come in and just take away the people’s rights, and that it was for their personal protection when needed, whether national or local. Plus, it was also in place so that it prepared the people to be called into action against foreign invasion. In other words, the Founders vuewed the entire population as being a part of a militia, which is the way Israel views its citizens-all are a part of the militia, whether one is in active service or not.
In addition, the other side of this argument is that no one is granted a “right to carry” a concealed firearm without passing a state background check and is found to be trustworthy to carry. Just think of all of the school shootings that could have been stopped, or at the very least limited in their destructiveness if only one “concealed carry” student, who has to be over 21 yrs. of age to obtain a carry permit, or a professor had been armed and able to stop the carnage. This actually happened down in one of the school shooting incidents in Arkansas, when a Principal retrieved his firearm from his car and exchanged fire with the two students preventing them from killing other students. He exchanged fire with them in the cafeteria for over 15 minutes, I believe, before the police were on the scene. He saved many lives that day.
I agree with the statement by Mr. Colt when he said: an armed society is a polite society.
This has also been shown to work in Israel. The PLO back in the seventies often targeted schools for armed take-overs, until the nation began arming the teachers, and after that the PLO stopped these horrendous acts, because they knew they would find resistence and possible death from a well protected student body. Personally, I wish more people would apply for and obtain conceal carry permits, because I feel safer knowing that crooks, thieves, and terrorists won’t have the upper hand. Besides, as a friend of mine always says: an unarmed society isn’t made up of citizens, but subjects.
Daniel on Thu, October 30, 2008
So, on a Christian website, talking about a Christian college, are we going to hear anything about Christ? Or about Scripture? The calling of the Church? Or is it all going to be about ‘second amendment rights’?
Reframe, disciples. Reframe.
Peace,
-Daniel-
Michael on Thu, October 30, 2008
@daniel,
For a believer to separate themselves from what occurs in the world around them is folly, at best.
But you want scripture? Fine. In Luke 22:35-38, Christ is preparing for His crucifixion. It is the Last Supper, and Christ has just told Peter that he would betray his Lord. Scripture says this:
Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”
“Nothing,” they answered.
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”
The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”
“That is enough,” he replied.
Christ told his disciples to take what they had with them, sell it, and buy swords to defend themselves. Later, one of them (John 18 identifies this one as Peter) uses his sword to cut off the ear of a servant who came with those who arrested Jesus. Christ rebuked Peter; Christ could take care of Himself, he says in Matthew 26:50-54. Why, then, would he have them buy swords, if not to use them in His defense? He knew the time for His death was at hand, and knew that they would be in danger.
fishon on Thu, October 30, 2008
Michael,
It must be a sign; .22 and .38 are popular calibers.
fishon
jhpw on Fri, October 31, 2008
If Jesus intended the disciples to use swords to defend themselves, it’s interesting that he would say “That is enough” to the fact that they have 2 swords. Two would not be enough to defend 11 people. Also, we have no examples in the New Testament of Jesus’ followers violently defending themselves, even though they suffered tremendous persecution. I find it sad that LU is considering this.
alexander on Fri, October 31, 2008
i say that we chalk this one up as a difference of opinion. after all what liberty decides is what liberty decides and we are all just going to be stuck debating the finer points of it and not focusing on more important things.
Rev. Kareem on Mon, November 03, 2008
He that lives by the sword shall also die by the sword…in this case (by the gun)… These are the words Jesus spoke to Peter…
it’s a shame that so many are living in a state of fear… Bible believing Christians at that… the seminary should be preparing the individuals for field work through faith, equiping them for present and future ministry. How can you show and preach faith when you don’t trust God to protect you? This sounds like the same cry the children of Israel did when they left Egypt…they didn’t trust God to protect them when the army was breathing down their backs… for those who put their trust in God, He’ll always show Himself faithful…
so I guess my question to those who believe in packing heat, “where’s your faith?”
even with a gun, you can’t truly protect yourself or your family…in fact, you’re the first targeted…they’ll take you out first…
Rev. Kareem on Mon, November 03, 2008
Do you think you have the ability to protect yourself? Who or in this case what do you think protect you from day to day? Is it the gun you carry? Or is it the God you believe and trust in? How many times have your weapon kept you from dangers seen and unseen? When you walk out your house and drive down the dangerous highways and byways of life, is it your weapon that keeps you safe? When you wake up in the morning do you pray to your weapon to keep you safe? Is it your weapons you trust or is it in God you put your trust?
just some questions to ponder on…
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