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    Outrage over Rick Warren and John Piper on the Same Stage

    Outrage over Rick Warren and John Piper on the Same Stage

    As Dan Rather would say, some people are 'madder than a rattlesnake trying to bite a fencepost' that John Piper has been invited Rick Warren to speak at the annual Desiring God Conference.

    In fact, Ken Silva even gives Leadership Network (whom I work with) a shout out in the process:

    It seems that Leadership Network’s propped-up Purpose Driven Pope Rick Warren, who teaches the apostate Roman Catholic Church is part of the Body of Christ and openly promotes anti-sola Scriptura Contemplative Spirtuality/Mysticism, will be a featured speaker at Piper’s Desiring God conference this year.

    It's not enough that Ken doesn't like Rick Warren... he pulls Leadership Network into the fray as well.  Oh well.

    Let's just say that many of the discernment sites aren't real happy on this one; and they're about to turn on Piper (again), just like they did when he invited Mark Driscoll a couple years back.  (Driscoll, as you may have guessed, is Leadership Network's self described "Pope of Vulgarity".)  OK... not really... I just made that one up.

    This is going to be a big stink in the next weeks.  And it will get ugly. (It already has).

    In the end... John Piper will host Rick Warren; and all will be well.  The sun will come up tomorrow.  The church will survive.  And the discernment bloggers will have yet one more thing to, in the words of Driscoll, 'groan and moan' about.  (OK, so those may not have been Driscoll's words exactly).

    What do you think?

    Todd

     

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    1. CS on Thu, April 01, 2010

      Piper put out a video explaining some of why he chose to do this.  I still have to say that I’m unconvinced.  I believe Warren has a lot of, “file cabinet theology,” where his doctrinal statements appear sound, but they are tucked away into a file cabinet and not actively used in his preaching, teaching, and action (i.e. Piper’s statement about the absence of repentance).  I’m curious if they’d allow an open forum with Warren. 

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlxRKLXk1WE


      CS

    2. CS on Thu, April 01, 2010

      And here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShxvN8YWTlA


      CS

    3. Pastor Matt on Thu, April 01, 2010

      Roman Catholic Church apostates - ha ha, that made me laugh out loud.  So like before the reformation there were no Christians?  ha ha ha

      Golly if we started refusing to share platforms with people that held differing opinions on non-core values then we’d all need a platform each.  In fact lets just start calling Calvinists apostates while we’re at it too.

      Ah Christians - you gotta love em.

    4. Brian on Thu, April 01, 2010

      Todd, why do you pay attention to the discernment blogs and why do you give them free advertising?  This is a serious question and I’d be really interested to hear your answer.  Do they have any credibility in your eyes?  Is this part of the humor of the site?  I mean, their stuff *is* laughable but…anyway…really curious…

    5. MRWBBIII on Sat, April 03, 2010

      JOHN PIPER ON RICK WARREN DESIRING GOD 2010 SERMON JAM

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSmU8EcbjWk

    6. joe on Wed, April 07, 2010

      Wow! I didn’t know there some making posts here who has theology all figured out!

      Our “isms” mean nothing to God and our denominations mean nothing to God. And when we think we are right and someone else is wrong then we are being legalists in the purest sense. In regards to “church”, a legalist is someone who believes he is right is his “ologies” and if anyone disagrees and doesn’t believe like him then they are heretics.

      How sick and how sad!

      http://legalismandchurchgrowth.blogspot.com/

    7. CS on Wed, April 07, 2010

      joe:

      “And when we think we are right and someone else is wrong then we are being legalists in the purest sense.”

      When the Bible says that someone is right and someone else is wrong, and we declare that, that’s not legalism at all.  That’s sound biblical practice. 

      “In regards to “church”, a legalist is someone who believes he is right is his “ologies” and if anyone disagrees and doesn’t believe like him then they are heretics.”

      Again, if those, “ologies,” match up with what the Bible says, and that person is not adding a burden, expecting everyone else to take on that yoke, that person is not a legalist.  And if someone deviates from what the Bible clearly says, yes, that person can be declared to be a heretic.  (I know when I use that word, I do so with great gravity and thought put into it.)


      CS

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