Todd Bentley is the new David; His Wife, the new Bathsheba
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- Posted on: Wed, October 14, 2009
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Remember Todd Bentley? According to his 'Restoration' pastor, Todd is the new David. An incredible story of God's mercy and grace. Oh, and Todd's new wife, Jessa, is the new Bathsheba.
"David repented and God restored him... didn't make him stop being king or anything!"
"Jessa is the most perfect woman in the world for Todd." And when she meets old friends of Todd and Shauna (Todd's first wife), it's uncomfortable.
Here's a synopsis of Jessa's introduction to the world.
She started at the booktable. Then became an intern. Then she became a nanny for Todd and Shauna. She became friends with Todd. She knew that Todd and Shauna were working through marriage difficulties. And when Todd's marriage broke, she'd hang out with Todd in a group. He was a leader she respected, and watching his marraige crumble was hard for her. Todd was crying a lot. "I comforted him." "I held him when he cried". Through that, something did spark. But only after the separation and papers were filed. Then it hit the public. It was wrong. It was a sin. It was a mistake. I don't regret marrying him, but want to repent for the sins along the way. We made a huge mess. I want to repent. We should have waited 6 months to a year after the divorce. I was deceived, and tried to justify it; but in hindsight, it was wrong. We were wrong and are trying to make things right. There are consequences that we will pay for the rest of our lives.
Todd Bentley: "We blew it... here it is". Jessa's been an incredible support to me... an anchor.
Shauna has forgiven Todd and Jessa, and was the first to congratulate them on their marriage. Todd and Shauna get along better now than when they were married.
Now, because of what he has with Jessa, Todd is ready to continue on with what God has for him. That's ministry, I assume.
Watch the video here... I'd love to hear your thoughts...
Todd
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Brian Hutchinson on Thu, October 15, 2009
First & formost I’m not defending him or his actions. I do not sit under his ministry or have I listened to any of his teachings. So why do I need to research him & his beliefs? I have done my homework on those who I am under & those whom I listen to.
I was only posting because people on here, this whole site, blast others. I understand the Word of God & what it says about leadership in the church.
I guess my question is where is the line drawn to where someone sins & they can go back in the pulpit or get a new job?
CS on Thu, October 15, 2009
Brian:
“So why do I need to research him & his beliefs?”
The effects of a notable person in the sphere of Christianity have influence on the larcger Church and the way the it is perceived. For example, Rick Warren is not my pastor at all. Yet his teachings, publications, and Purpose Driven (TM) methodology have been used in at least 10% of American churches. Likewise, Todd Bentley was showcased on programs like Nightline and people drove and flew thousands of miles to be, “healed,” by him.
So while there is no direct correlation between him and you, it is wise to understand what is going on in Christendom because you may be passively or actively influenced by someone.
“I was only posting because people on here, this whole site, blast others.”
Yes, some of us here do blast others. Others of us will call out legitimate problems when we see them. In the case of Bentley, saying, “heretic,” is not wantonly firing cannons in his direction, but speaking the truth. But Todd is very good about picking articles that generate positive discussion most of the time, I have found.
“I guess my question is where is the line drawn to where someone sins & they can go back in the pulpit or get a new job?”
In 1 Timothy 3, there is no time limit on the phrase, “he must have a good testimony among those who are outside.” Yes, he may indeed be forgiven and reconciled to God with the Church, but his egregious sins and history prevent him from stepping back in the role of pastor, as Leonard and Peter excellently demonstrated.
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CS
Brian Hutchinson on Thu, October 15, 2009
So why can’t we get past peoples actions & forgive them? If people can forgive A-Rod for doing roids, why a Christian can’t forgive his brother in Christ for something they did? One on my biggest pet peaves is when someone does something & tarnishes the name of Christ. So I was upset when I heard this, but I understand thatthere’s the truth of what he did & that a �heretic� label on him might be what he needs. But why say it
Sing this like Petra did for old time sake:
Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. Love does not demand its own way. Love is not irritable, and it keeps no record of when it has been wronged. It is never glad about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.
Even if Todd violated everyone of these love is_______. We are told by Jesus to ‘Love your neighbor as yourself’ this guy is a brother in Christ.
Brian Hutchinson on Thu, October 15, 2009
hit send before i proof read it. But why say it publicy in this forum, I can see it from your pulpit or small groups if you have people affected by what he did.
I have sat in a service where I have heard false doctrine by a world wide preacher and when he left the local churches had to do clean up. They corrected his teaching to their flock & they prayed for him.they didn’t go on TBN or forums & call him what he is or bash what he did. I do know that some ministers did contact him privately and correct him.
Peter Hamm on Thu, October 15, 2009
Brian writes
[I understand thatthere�s the truth of what he did & that a �heretic� label on him might be what he needs. But why say it] You mean, like when the epistle-writers condemned the false teaching around them?
Forgiveness is not the issue. The fact is that he’s forgiven, and yet not suitable for any kind of Christian leadership according to scripture.
I think Leonard spoke for me above in his assessment of Todd’s situation…
Leonard on Thu, October 15, 2009
Brian,
what does matter to you? You keep saying why not forgive, but we keep saying that is not the issue. Does being forgiven mean to you that he can just go back to the pulpit? I am not sure what you are looking for.
If Todd is a believer he is forgiven. That is not in dispute by anyone here on this blog.
If Todd were a pedophile, would you say go ahead and work with kids again, since you are forgiven? If he were an alcoholic would you say go ahead and work in a bar, now that you are forgiven?
Todd has a history of sexual misconduct, alcohol and drug addiction. This is to his own admission and in some of his preaching has been the premise of his claim that God had changed his life.
He then has an affair, denies it, comes clean, says he will submit to accountability, refuses and moves under another persons ministry where it is announced he is married to his love interest he had while married to another women, he admits to the abuse of alcohol even while holding revivals, then is proclaimed to be David and Bathsheba.
He has not forfeited forgiveness, just the position in ministry. I am sorry you cannot see these are not the same.
Why say he is a heretic here? Because it is a basis for his behavior, it is a basis for his restoration and it should matter if he is going to preach claiming Christ.
Brian Hutchinson on Thu, October 15, 2009
I am saying that Christians would rather talk about someones issues then pray for the person. Would I let him speak to my church….probably not.
I think you all are missing my point
CS on Thu, October 15, 2009
Brian:
“I think you all are missing my point “
It sounds like your point is, “If he’s forgiven, let him back in the pulpit.”
Our point is, “The Bible says that he can be forgiven, yet the Bible says his history of sin disqualifies him from being in the pulpit.”
Correct me if I’m wrong here, please.
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CS
Leonard on Thu, October 15, 2009
Brian, forgive me for being a bit tenacious on this. I am missing your point because you are no making a point. Is your point to pray… then say so. In saying so, do not assume it has not happened.
Is your point to forgive? Then say so. We agree, if Todd is a believer he is forgiven.
Is your point to put him back into ministry? Then say so. I do not think he is qualified for ministry. Period. I have shared the basis for this opinion. You can disagree with it, buy by your own admission, you probably would not have him speak in your church.
Brian, he s a public figure in the landscape of pentecostal Christianity. He sinned publicly, denied it publicly, got caught publicly, refused a process of accountability publicly, is now publicly being touted as David and Bathsheba… At what point do other Christian leaders have a right to say… Heck no, that is wrong.
You are all over the map on this. He is going to go launch a new ministry, preach his heretical teachings, claim authority from God and sadly, because too many Christians want to sit around and say nothing… he will do all of that, forgiven or not, restored or not.
Brian Hutchinson on Thu, October 15, 2009
the point I was trying to make & I’m not eliquent with my words is If God has forgiven him God forgives & forgets. Why don’t Christians do that.
Since he sinned & lied about it & covered it up & all that he did. Yes he should take some time off (alot of time) and just attend church. Get under accouintability & finish the work that God started someday. Sometimes people take what God wants them to do & they do it the next day & not in God’s timing.
So to recap:
1. If he asked for forgiveness—He’s got it.
2. If he feels God is leading him back into pulpit ministry—He should wait…wait awhile.
3. When fellow Christians do something & it gets national attention. Don’t kick them while there down but lift them up in prayer.
Leonard on Thu, October 15, 2009
Brian, thanks for the clarification. I get what you are saying here.
1 if he has asked for forgiveness he’s got it.
Agreed, if Todd is a Christian Tod is also forgiven.
2 if he feels God is leading him back to pulpit ministry he should wait… wait a while.
Disagree - He is not fit for pulpit ministry on the basis of 2 issues
His doctrine
His behavior He disqualified himself by his behavior even if his doctrine was sound.
#3 We are not kicking a man while he is down, we are responding to his very public admission and his very public restoration and claim to be David and Bathsheba. This is disagreeing with him, not kicking him.
Brian Hutchinson on Thu, October 15, 2009
I wasnt addressing the King David issue.
“Disagree - He is not fit for pulpit ministry on the basis of 2 issues
His doctrine
His behavior He disqualified himself by his behavior even if his doctrine was sound.”
—Is what your saying that he should never get behind the pulpit again?
CS on Thu, October 15, 2009
Brian:
“Is what your saying that he should never get behind the pulpit again?”
Yes, that’s right. Please check my explanation of 1 Timothy 3 for evidence.
If you disagree, please share biblical support for your belief.
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CS
Peter Hamm on Thu, October 15, 2009
CS,
way to play the Bible card… (that’s my way of saying “amen”...)
Peter
Leonard on Thu, October 15, 2009
Yes, that is also what I am saying… and what a scary day when CS, Peter and I agree… yikes
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