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Evangelicals and Mormons:  Is There Anything in Common?

Orginally published on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 6:00 AM
by Todd Rhoades

This article appeared recently in the Deseret News.  It discusses the dialouge going on right now between certain evangelical groups and the Mormon church.  For example, BYU professor Robert Millet, left, and Pastor Greg Johnson go to college campuses and do seminars on the similarities and differences between Mormons and evangelicals.  Read this article and give your thoughts on whether or not this is a good thing?

Having dinner recently with a top official of the Anglican Communion in his British castle, two Utah men talked about their attempt to create a bridge of understanding between historical Christians and Latter-day Saints.

That they found themselves the guests of Bishop N.T. Wright of Durham, England, was just one of the pleasant surprises they've encountered on a public journey toward understanding that began five years ago as a discussion between friends.

Robert Millet, who holds an academic chair in religious understanding at Brigham Young University, and Greg Johnson, a Utah-born former Latter-day Saint who has become an evangelical minister, have been finding common religious ground since they first met in 1997. And since 2000 they've been talking about it publicly with whoever cares to listen.

Bishop Wright has reason to tune in. He is currently trying to help bridge the chasm created by American Episcopal bishops, who ordained an openly gay bishop in 2003, and the bulk of the 77-million member worldwide Anglican Communion of which they are a part.

Many Anglicans say the Americans have ignored scripture and Christian teaching, while the U.S. bishops counter that their action embodied the highest biblical mandate to love one another without reservation.

While both camps believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible, their approach to the issue of homosexuality comes from widely different poles on the religious and political spectrum. Though the chasm has threatened to throw the faith into schism, Anglicans share much common ground.

So it is with Latter-day Saints and evangelical Christians, say Millet and Johnson, though both concede there are significant doctrinal differences between historic Christianity and a faith that claims to be a restoration of Christ's original gospel.

The history of interaction between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and most long-established Christian faiths has been a rocky one ever since Joseph Smith told Christian ministers he had seen God and Jesus Christ in a vision in 1820. Smith's subsequent publishing of a unique scriptural canon known as the Book of Mormon and other extrabiblical scriptural texts set Latter-day Saints apart in significant ways from Protestant and Catholic tradition and teaching.

The differences simmered for decades, with occasional spurts of public discussion. But Southern Baptist Convention leaders' public proclamations in the late 1990s that Latter-day Saints were not Christians brought the topic into focus on the public stage, as LDS leaders countered the claims.

Since then, both Johnson and Millet have looked for similarities, and maintain the two traditions have more in common than most had supposed during the past 175 years since the LDS Church was organized. And they've taken their message on the road in recent years, holding increasingly frequent public appearances on a variety of college campuses including Harvard, UCLA and Fuller Theological Seminary.

After receiving permission from the LDS Church's First Presidency, they organized the appearance of widely known Christian theologian Ravi Zacharias at the Tabernacle on Temple Square last November, and have since taken heat from some in both religious camps for their peacemaking efforts.

In the process, they've garnered enough curiosity that network television has taken notice. The CBS Sunday Morning News got wind of their discussions and sent a film crew to Boise in early March to chronicle their dialogue.

They've started a weekly one-hour dialogue on local TV, with a live call-in format that producers believe will draw viewers to Channel 20. "Bob and Greg in Conversation" will air Tuesdays from 9 to 10 p.m.

They're also organizing another large public forum similar to the Zacharias event, only this time it will be held in an evangelical venue in California and feature a yet-to-be-named LDS leader.

And in the process, they don't shrink from asking tough questions, and from acknowledging failings that continue to keep suspicion simmering between people on either side. "On too many occasions, Latter-day Saints can be guilty of taking the attitude of 'If I can't baptize them, I don't know what to do with them,' " Millet said. "We need to acknowledge there is something even deeper than doctrine and theology, and that's our humanity."

He said conflict often arises because both groups take the obligation to share the gospel of Christ seriously. "But underlying that has to be a real love for people, rather than seeing them as a (potential) baptismal statistic."

Johnson remembers a conversation with one of Millet's colleagues at BYU, who reaffirmed to him that Millet was never going to see things Johnson's way, and then asked, "so what's the point?"

That mind-set is reflected in the willingness on both sides to be patient and invest time talking when you're convinced the other person is beginning to see things your way, Johnson said. "But the moment we see that not happening we think we have to move on and use our time in more productive ways ... Yet we live in a world where friendship is just as important."

"Debate and confrontation are the easy way," Millet said. "We say: Are you willing to invest some time in this so you can learn something," rather than soaking in self-righteousness?

Doing so "just doesn't compromise us," Johnson said. "It's harder to want someone to see it your way, but to not give up when they don't."

OK... let's hear your thoughts...

 


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  • Posted by Pastor Al

    “"We say: Are you willing to invest some time in this so you can learn something,” rather than soaking in self-righteousness?”

    Well, the Article misses one big point “what are the basic doctrinal differences between Evangelicals and Mormons?” While, all this “friendship talk” gives me the warm fuzzes, I am more concerned that people in cultic error are in danger of hell fire then them thinking I am their buddy.

    Let’s just take the doctrine of the “Divinity of Christ” can we give this up for Evangelicals to be buddies with Mormons?  How about the “Authority of Scripture?” How about “justification by Faith?” How about “baptisms for the dead?” How about the “three heavens?” How about humans “being Gods?”

    Don’t get me wrong - should we be friendly with everyone we meet? Sure, should we sacrifice the tenants of Christianity for these “friendships” I don’t think so.

  • Posted by

    A big Amen to Pastor Al for his comments!  I was pulled into the Mormon church back in the late 80’s and early 90’s.  I had begun to question their doctrine and none of my questions were answered. I went to an Easter pageant put on by the Mormon Church out in Mesa, Az.  Some people came by with some tracts on the differences between Christianity and Mormonism.  The friends I was with snatched the tract out of my hand before I could read it and told me it was of the devil! The following year my heart beat had gone down to 28 beats per minute and stayed that way for six weeks!  The elders of the Mormon church came over and would lay their hands on my head and pray out loud “in the Name of Jesus and of Joseph Smith we heal you!” Gee, it never worked!  Finally I threw my Book of Mormon down on the ground and prayed for Jesus to save me.  The very next day (Thanksgiving Day) I was healed.  I then went to a Christian book store and for the first time in my life I saw the headings under Cults “Mormonism!” I never knew I was in a cult.  I thank God that He got me out of there.  I worry that there are many other people who have just never heard the “truth.” We cannot just be friends and agree to disagree on “little” issues.  The differences are huge and are the difference between being saved or not saved!  There are many people who are in need of our prayers!  My love goes to the Jesus of the Bible and not the twisted version created by Joseph Smith!

  • Posted by

    Great care needs to be taken when engaging in “dialogue” with a member of a cult. What is the purpose of this dialogue? To be biblically honest, let’s face it: Mormonism is a cult that denies the deity of Jesus Christ (in fact, Mormons, believe that Jesus is the “spirit brother of Lucifer!), claims that “as God once was, man may become,” denies the Trinity, amongst other major doctrinal differences that cannot be “dialogued” away (sorry to use the word dialogue as a verb!)
    While Mormons can and are wonderful people, many of them do not even know the basic doctrines of their cult. It would certainly be much more profitable for all Mormons to learn what their cult actually teaches and then realize that it is not just another Christian denomination.
    Sadly, I think too much dialogue in this regard will only promote the notion that Mormonism is just another Christian denomination, which it most certainly is not!

  • Posted by bernie dehler

    I’ve done a few “dialogue” TV shows with a Mormon.  I think it’s great to get them to dialogue.  I like to get them to think about things they’ve never thought about, such as the lack of archeological evidence for the Book of Mormon (compared to the Bible, like day and night).  Mormon scholars can’t point to ANY geographical area from the Book of Mormon, and they have ZERO artifacts from these stories in their books.  This is just for starters… there’s so much more…

    ...Bernie
    http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/247

  • Posted by

    I think both sides are in it to “teach” the other.  At the core, both sides want to baptize the other.  This must be the case since there is no possible way to reconcile doctrinal differences between the two groups.  While I believe that this may deliver many out of the mormon church, it also runs the risk of making mormonism just another christian denomination (as stated earlier).

  • Posted by bernie dehler

    By the way, this is the best ministry to Mormons that I’ve seen:
    http://www.utlm.org/

    I highly recommend thier book, about Mormonism “issues,” from A-Z:

    http://www.utlm.org/booklist/titles/ub001_mormonismshadoworreality.htm

    It’s a very thick and information-filled book-- very much worth the price.  They also have lots of free articles on their website.  Here’s a very good online book they have:
    http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changecontents.htm

    ...Bernie
    http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/247

  • Posted by rev-ed

    I love it when religious people can share time together and discuss things rationally.  However, like the above commenters, I see any possible gains of Mormons coming to the real Jesus Christ offset by the confusion of the LDS with Christianity.

  • Posted by

    Many Anglicans say the Americans have ignored scripture and Christian teaching, while the U.S. bishops counter that their action embodied the highest biblical mandate to love one another without reservation.
    Millet said. “We need to acknowledge there is something even deeper than doctrine and theology, and that’s our humanity.”

    The Mormon Church is not a Christian church. One only has to study their doctrines and history to know they are in error. Most people have never heard that Joseph Smith used a pair of golden spectacles to decipher the golden tablets given to him by the angle Moroni that became the book of Mormon. The book of Mormon according to LDS church book of order is superior to the bible when conflict arises between the two. Just like the muslim faith there is a strong demonic influence over the LDS church.

    The two quotes from the article that I have included should cause every Christian concern. The first quote basically states “U.S. bishops counter that their action embodied the highest biblical mandate to love one another without reservation” this smacks full of relativism that refers to a view that claims moral standards can not be absolute therefore homosexuals, euthanasia and other evils are ok. Yes we are to love one another but hate the sin which means accountability to the Word of God concerning unrepentant sinners.

    As far as the second quote goes “We need to acknowledge there is something even deeper than doctrine and theology, and that’s our humanity.” This is the most outrages quote I have heard in a long time. Suggesting that our humanity is superior to our faith in God and Christian doctrine is pure heresy. History has proven what our humanity outside of Christ can accomplish. Humanity outside of the transforming power of Christ is capable of the most unspeakable crimes against itself. Humanity with out our doctrine and theology is destined for hell.

  • Posted by

    The article was shallow and useless as it pertains to any matters of substance that clearly spell out the chasm of doctrinal error into which the Mormon “church” has dwelt in since its’ inception.
    Get some more pertinent details next time, OK?

    pastor Jeff

  • Posted by

    You know it makes me sick to think that Christians minimize God so much to call this man “ungodly, Unscriptural and damaging.” Oh, now I remember, it was the most “religious” that gave Jesus most of His grief also.

  • Posted by

    Anything in common? Not much at all, I would think. After leading an apologetics Bible study over the last 9 months with 4 great evangelical couples, the differences only seem more glaring than ever. There is no common Jesus. The biblical Jesus is God the Son, the second person of the Trinity. Mormons reject the Trinity and accept Jesus as a “son” of God, but anybody can become one of those: “What God is man can become.” There is no common source of authority. Mormons continue to downplay the Bible as the Word of God “insofar as it is translated correctly,” while they push the Book of Mormon, vast passages of it copied from the King James Version and no credible historical or archelogical support. There is no common soteriology. Evangelicals champion salvation by faith alone. Mormons follow the dictum, “we are saved by faith after all we can do,” and back up their dictum with “missionary” service. Baptism for the Evangelical christian is an outward sign of the death to the old life by Jesus’ death and the raising of the believer with the resurrection life that Jesus gives. Mormon baptism is the “baptism for the dead,” a huge edifice built upon the shaky foundation of one unclear verse 1 Cor 15:29. The dead are identified with the vast geneological data of Mormonism, then brought in the back door of heaven by proxy baptism. A Mormon missionary I talked with recently combined I Peter 3:19-20 with Luke 16:19-31 in an attempt to show that Jesus, after his death and before his resurrection, went to where the rich man was to give him a second chance at salvation. But even in the context, the rich man knew he was doomed, that’s why he asked Abraham to send a warning to his brothers.
    Don’t misunderstand. I like to dialogue with Mormons too, but my aim is clear: to bring the truth of the Word of God to them. Hopefully, some of them may see a clear contrast with the spirit of error handed down from Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and the Mormon hierarchy.

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