Hey Sam,

Thanks for your comment.

1.  How do I know the amount of people there?  Good question.  I don’t.  I based my statement on the look of the room (it looks like a very small room; and you could hear a baby googling that was just as loud as the speaker).  OK… there may be 30 there, not that it makes a difference how many people are there.  I didn’t make a disparaging remark about the number 20 being bad.  I think you may have done that.

2.  Because it’s my blog and I can.  Really, Sam, if you haven’t been around here long, you know that one of the topics I discuss alot is my upbringing in a very fundamentalist, legalistic upbringing.  So, I can identify with this pastor.  I sat under leaders like him for years.  Why do I give him a platform?  That’s why… I can understand where he’s coming from (really, I can); and yes, I do find the conclusions he comes to mildly amusing.

3.  Uh… yeah, as a general statement.  I’m just speaking from personal experience here… the churches that I was a part of were all like that (that’s why I’m not a part of church’s like those anymore).  That’s not to say that they’re not all great people who love Jesus… they are.  And Jesus loves them as much as he does me.  My only point is that many from that type of church feel they are the only ones that are correct; and tend to bash and disassociate from people who don’t believe exactly like they do.  Isn’t that the whole reason he shared the Perry Noble story with his church?

While I may disagree with this pastor, I don’t bash him and condemn him to hell.  I’m not sure he’d give me the same courtesy.

Again, this is a blog, not the New York times… try not to parse out every word of every sentence to find hidden meanings… because quite frankly, there aren’t any.

Have a great day!

Todd

2.

1. If the number of people there doesnt matter or is irrelevant then why do you even speculate about how many people are in attendance. BTW, i have listened to podcasts from very large churches and could hear babies very clearly in the background.
2. So you support people tearing down this man like you see over at Tony Morgan’s blog. And you will condone the same thing on your blog? So you are saying that your only motivation by posting this was because you identify with this pastor? You didnt post this so you and others could laugh at and mock this man?
3. AND you see alot of that same sort of bashing going on today in churches like Newspring and Elevation. They continually bash more traditional and fundamental churches all the while crying foul that they are being criticized. Rocks are being thrown in both directions. But you represent it as a one way affair here on your website which of course like you said you are free to do. But be aware that more civilty and brotherly love needs to occur on both sides. It is VERY hypocritical for people to bash this man because he bashed Perry and Newspring. What was his motivation for mentioning Newspring and Perry? I am not 100 percent certain and neither are you.

You ARE bashing this man by negatively implying certain facets of this. Was the 20 people in the congregation not a jab? Then you say he would condemn you to Hell. Really? Did you hear him say that Perry was going to Hell? Again, a reaching assumption to mask your ridicule of this man and the church where he serves.

Sam, I agree that it would be very easy to be drawn into a bashing thread, and you are wise to caution us against it.  That said, I think it is okay for us to evaluate the truth of what he said without making it personal.  Here are some interesting conclusions that COULD be drawn from this sermon:

1.  People who flash the “rock-on” sign are really Satan worshippers.  True or False?
2.  Skinny, long-haired guitar players are perverts.  True or False?
3.  Contemporary = liberal = no souls saved or baptized.  True or False?
4.  Mega churches = what’s wrong with this country.  True or False?
5.  Old-fashioned services = spirtual maturity.  True or False?

I think that statements that any authority figure makes (such as a pastor) in a public forum (such as church and/or UTube), are subject to fair evaluation.  And, as any fair-minded person can see, the above statements do not hold up under the light of truth.

How many times have you heard an IFB pastor begin a sermon with “I have a friend, but I’m not going to call their name”? They love to tell exaggerated stories from mysterious sources. For someone so opposed to using contemporary culture he sure seems to know a lot about it including using slang such as “man” and “stinking” in his sermon. Notice the only time he used the bible during this 9 minute tirade was to throw it onto the pulpit for emphasis. Talking about numbers… there must be something wrong with 8000 people following Christ as many times as he mentions it? I hardly think that the members at Newspring are flashing the debil sign either. Notice how the definition of love is reduced to preaching to the poor but he never mentions feeding or caring for the least of these.

WoW Todd....you seem to have hit a nerve with Sam.

My impression is when I watched this along with the first video I got the same impression as you.  I don’t feel you are downing the guy by the size of crowd you implied.

In my opinion this guy is pressing for attention and/or fame as he specifically targets portions of his message for youtube that are controversial.

I really don’t see the purpose behind what he is trying to sell.  He’s not going to change “Newspring or Perry”.  And really he’s not even preaching the gospel.  Just his opinion based on how he sees the bible.

What is sad is that he doesn’t focus on reaching people vs. trying to convince people that “mega-churches” are “evil”.

Holy cow, his church actually has the belief that the KJV is the inspired word of God in his statement of doctrine.

Wow!

Speaking of the food groups what about fruit and nuts?  I am not sure how I feel, seems like there is alot of time spent telling people what not to do, who not to listen to and how to properly use the toilet, If I just listened to these threads could I come to know Christ, or how I could walk more like Him? ( I ask that about my own speaking as well).  Im not sure but it seems like I know more about what techniques make him mad than about the scripture.

I know one thing. This guys pees standing up!

I am not going to bash the guy. I may chuckle a bit, but I can’t bash the guy, but it I can’t help, but to laugh at how silly it is for us to attack other churches and pastors. And no this not an attack on KJV man, it is attack on his approach of teaching his brand of Christianity.

Someone needs to sing KJV man this song:

Why can’t we be friends?
Why can’t we be friends?
Why can’t we be friends?
Why can’t we be friends?

The color of your skin don’t matter to me
As long as we can live in harmony

Why can’t we be friends?
Why can’t we be friends?
Why can’t we be friends?
Why can’t we be friends?

War (1974)

Uh, oh...that’s not a Christian Song either!

Derek

(Heavy Sign) (Shaking head) No wonder we are always seeming to have push up hill. Oh well, let him go.

wonderingfellow,

GREAT idea! I’m in!

Am I the only one that looks at the entire production and says… this is just a fun hoax. His site, youtube page, etc remind me of http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

For as “famous” as this whole thing is… has anyone actually gone to the services? I think if you look at what he’s doing with the label of “parody” it gets a lot easier to bear.

I can’t help but look at the high quality video and his Stephen Colbert style delivery and think… this is just a really, really well done hoax.

Thoughts?

I was looking at Pastor Anderson’s church website doctrinal statement and it says, “We believe only in the local church and not in a universal church.” Can someone explain to me what that means exactly?