I don’t think Piper has ever wrestled.  This isn’t WWE, it’s athletic competition and your not going to think about her junk anymore than you’re thinking there are homo-erotic overtones to two guys doing the same thing.  Piper needs to get real.  So does Driscoll.  Having said that, big fan of both.

I’m not goint to argue the pros and cons of girls wrestling, as I’ve seen some very good ones, but I can speak to the perspective of the wrestler. 

Both my sons are wrestlers and they’ve both wrestled girls.  Their thought process is “pin the girls quick and get the match over with.” It’s a no-win situation for them...they’re ‘supposed’ to win and would get nothing but grief from their teammates if they lost. 

It’s not sexual - it’s an athletic competition that they don’t want to lose.

As someone living in Southern Minnesota, I have to agree with Piper on this.  Any red blooded young man (and I’m not too old that I can’t remember this) would struggle with this.  And the other guys will only make it worse.  I can imagine the locker room conversations directed toward the guy who has to wrestle her.

Piper Driscoll-esque? Please. When Piper gets hacked off about something, He speaks his mind. His own mind.
This was extemporaneously in a sermon last fall. And there’s plenty more where this came from…

“It’s incredible [that Judas was a thief as he walked with Jesus (John 12:6)]...almost. If you didn’t have internet, it would be incredible. If you didn’t read the news about charlatans in the pulpit it would be incredible. Another one now [speaking of the recent allegations against Richard Roberts]. $39,000 spent on the wife’s clothing at the same store. $29,000 to fly the kids to the Bahamas in the name of evangelism. A red Mercedes and a white Lexus. Thank you very much, Judas is not incredible anymore. I just want to quit sometimes. So much reproach is brought on the ministry. I hate the prosperity gospel. I hate the use of money. Sometimes I just want to strip myself bare of everything and be like Francis of Assisi and go naked into the wilderness. Less there be any thought that I give a rip about what money means. So pray for me in that regard (laughter). Not that I won’t have my rear end showing someday, but that I won’t fall. “

Funny, for a long time I thought it was the other way around: Driscoll spending way too much with John Piper.

Brian, how can Piper possibly know what every healthy boy is thinking?  Or even most boys?  Other comments posted here reveal other “real life” experiences that don’t match your own OR the picture that Piper paints (oh if only his name was Peter instead of John that could’ve been an awesome phrase).  Having wrestled a little in H.S. (never co-ed though) and been around H.S. guys who wrestle as recent as last weekend, I just don’t buy that “all” or even “most” guys would be trying to “cop a feel”.

Both of my boys play basketball and have played against the girls teams.  They were very much aware of the girls under the basket pressing up against them with all the soft parts - for about 15 seconds.  That’s not theory, that’s real life.  And once, long ago, I was a high school boy and I didn’t live on the edge looking and hoping to “cop a feel” from every random girl.

Can something be a matter of practical deliberation rather than theological rationale for once?
I don’t care much for wrestling, but if you have a boys’ team that is distracted by girl members, then start a girls’ team. Perhaps this is an age thing? At high enough competitive levels, perhaps locker room banter fades off. Maybe it doesn’t. What do I know?

My only thought is, why do we have to drag in theological ideals (as Piper does concerning the place of men vis-a-vis women) for what is probably only a practical puzzle?
Use practical discernment, says I, not bad theology.

Peace,
-Daniel-

Denise:

huh?