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Orginally published on Friday, November 07, 2008 at 6:50 AM by Todd Rhoades
I... I don't know know what to say... Be sure to watch the whole thing... it gets pretty hot in there.
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my brother in-law is the mastermind behind all this - he’s the middle school pastor at fbc columbia, sc.
What? I don’t know what to say. Thanks I think Todd… mommy make it go away.
That’s amazing. I literally am speechless, I’m not sure what to even say:)
As my college roommate would say:
They still need a lot of work and a lot more real coffee.
Uhhhhhhhh… stupifying. I’m pretty sure that’s 10.35 kinds of wrong. Or, is it RIGHT?
Looks like a real bad version of Young @ Heart to me!
Kinda gives a whole new meaning to trying to be relevant. Definitely give ‘em an E for effort!!
I dragged my 16 yr old son up to watch. His comments:
1) Old people can’t rap… or talk fast for that matter.
2) Please make it stop
3) [during the last song] I think I’ll go hang myself now
the video wasn’t made to try to make things more “relevant.” it was made to go along with a student ministry Fall Retreat as a “late submission” for a “talent show.” it’s not supposed to be good. of course they can’t rap!
what made it “good” was the relationships that were formed and strengthened between the sr. adults and students in the student ministry when they saw their grandparents doing something out or the ordinary.
if this is legit, i’m sorry, but i’m saddened. i love me a good laugh but if jay is correct, this is just confuses me. let’s be honest, this is NOT funny. these sr. adults are being exploited and taken advantage of. they probably trust their leader. how manipulative…
these men and women have probably served at this church for decades and this is their legacy? these are someone’s mothers, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers, great-grandmothers, grandfathers…
eveyone is ‘speechless’ because you don’t want to say what i just said. come on friends. this is a sanctity of life issue…
lest you think i’m a fuddy-duddy, i’m a 32-yr dude who loves all kinds of art - music, film, visual art. the key word there is ‘art.’ let’s be honest, these songs are not art in the first place. and to invest time with a sr. adult choir to learn these trashy tunes, i’m baffled.
i am also worship arts teacher at local Baptist/Christian university, training students to serve in contemporary worship settings. i would never tell my students this is funny. this flies in the face of the hard work done by faithful men and women of all denominational stripes throughout church history who have tried to bring a sense of respect to corporate worship.
jay, your bro-in-law needs to check his heart on this one and confess/seek counsel on this serious misstep in leadership.
tell me where i’m wrong todd. i’m open to your thoughts…
There’s always gotta be one in the bunch. Come on Brad.
Yes, I think it was kinda poorly done. Doesn’t look like it was meant to be great and they probably didn’t practice all that much. I do think it’s pretty funny though.
But exploited? Come on. I hate to say it this way, but whatever assumptions you might make looking at them, I’ve been around churches long enough to know that the “older saints” have some of the strongest opinions and aren’t afraid to share. If they had problems with this, they probably wouldn’t have done it.
Confess? Sin? No offense but let’s kick back a little.
It wasn’t corporate worship and I don’t think anyone was aiming to defile the hard work throughout church history.
Brad said::::let’s be honest, this is NOT funny. these sr. adults are being exploited and taken advantage of. they probably trust their leader. how manipulative…
----I am a stuffed shirt CofC preacher, and not many get more legalistic or stuffy than us. But Brad, “exploited,” please. “...taken advantage of,” how? To make those kind of assertions is to infer that they have some kind of diminished mental capacities.
Your terms show your patently prejudices against “Senior adults.” You assume they were “manipulated” And you base that on what; that they are ‘’Senior adults?”
“this is a sanctity of life issue…”
------If you can show me those folks are afflicted with Dementia or Alzheimer’s, then I will be in agreement with you. But if they are not afflicted then you disrespect them as human beings.
sanctity of life, as an umbrella term, has more to do with appreciating the all of life is sacred. we minimize it to abortion or seniors with dementia and Alzheimer’s, but it’s a Biblical issue of inviolability. to ask them to do this in the first place just baffles me.
believe me, i expect to be in the minority. i knew that going in. that is where we are as a culture. and as the comments rack up against me, i’ll continue to be saddened at the lack of discernment and integrity and ‘dumbing down’ that culture has had on us in the ministry. and if i’m “that one,” well, that is my lot with my comments…
It’s not a serious thing… it was done as an entry in their youth group’s talent show. It was done to be humorous. No seniors were hurt in the taping of this video.
well then, keep doing your thing brad. i am not one to stand in the way off someone’s opinion.
the adults in the video knew what they were doing, they loved being a part of a weekend that saw over 200 people participate and 17 decisions made for Christ.
one of the benefits of being a part of a multi-generational church is seeing senior adults on a normal basis...being able to worship with them every Sunday...seeking their wisdom in decisions that I have to make as a 27 year old...and yes, even having fun with them!
They were not being exploited. Those folks knew what lyrics they were singing. It was just for fun. Old folks can laugh at themselves, and we young folks should sometimes loosen up and do the same. Frankly, I enjoyed this.
In Brad’s defense - the first time I saw it I was rather horrified too - until it was put into context.
In context it’s wonderful. What could the kids do but laugh and grin at seeing their grandma and Grandpa singing songs that /they/ sing. It’s funny. It’s cool. And it would give them both something to talk and laugh about for a very long time.
But until I had the context I was thinking that if the choir director told me to sing that stuff I’d tell him exactly where he could put his request, and it wouldn’t be a very ‘Christian’ suggestion either. *wink*
It’s just plain hysterical. I am only 44 and I make fun of myself all the time, I hope when I’m 64 I still can.
okay friends. good pushback..
more food for thought…
someone explain to me why it’s ok for anyone to sing these songs? let alone by our elders? for a chuckle? on the basis of ‘connecting’ to the youth of the church?
uh… yeah, pretty much.
I think you’re being a little too serious here. As noted, they did this to form a connection. As for why anyone should be singing these songs - that’s a good question to ask. I seem to remember that Charlton Heston read the entire lyrics from some rapper’s album into the minutes of a board meeting. When told he couldn’t read that (because of the lyrics), he responded that the company was selling it. (Wasn’t invited back, IIRC.) Perhaps hearing these words from someone else’s mouths would also prompt a little discussion on the appropriateness of those lyrics. After all, kids don’t actually listen to the words, they just like the music. At least, that’s the line I always hear when you question them about the lyrics. Of course, they have no problem mouthing those words while the song is playing or singing along, but of course they don’t _listen_ to them.
I appreciate your passion on this topic, but I think this might be an area to agree to disagree. And related to the age and group, I know several senior members across several choirs who would practically jump at a chance to do something like this for a youth weekend gig. They would have had a lot more movement, too. :-D
It’s just wrong, what else can someone say.
Although I have suggested they play DC Talks Jesus Freak at my funeral!
I think Brad is right on target. What lyrics are they going to sing next? How about “I Love Big Butts” Why would we ever legitimize this kind of music to our kids?
You want to connect the seniors of the church with the youth? How about teaching them Biblical principles of honoring the elderly and respecting them. How proverbs tells us that silver hair is the sign of wisdom. No let’s not do that...I know let’s put them in a position of ridicule so that we can perpetuate secular thinking that old people are useless, irrelevant, out of touch, bad drivers, too slow and incapable of taking care of themselves. Remember that we are to be sanctified...a peculiar people...in the world but not of the world. We have become so wrapped up in trying to be attractive to the world that we can no longer be distinguished from it. If we want to connect with the youth, how about we use the “youth ministry” in our churches to teach them the whole counsel of God instead of as a entertainment center or as a baby sitting service. Once they see their sins in the light of the suffering that Christ endured in our stead and surrender to Jesus as Lord and Savior, then the Biblical principles of respect and honor towards the elderly in our midst will make sense to them and they will obey. Sounds radical doesn’t it?
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