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Six Things Worship Pastors Would Like to Tell Their Senior Pastor

Orginally published on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 9:33 AM
by Todd Rhoades

Billy Cox posted an interesting list of things that most worship pastors would like to tell their senior pastors:  >6. If we could afford to play/sing all the time we would.  5. In our minds, music is valuable in its own right and not just as means of filling your sanctuary…

4. We think and feel very deeply, so we can tell whether you really appreciate us or not, yet we are insecure, so we might let you exploit us for awhile...and shame on you if you do.

3. We love music and we worked hard to develop our skills, so it's frustrating to us when you ask us to perform alongside untalented people who love only the spotlight.

2. For us, doing music is its own reward, and you don't need to pressure us, heap praise on us, fawn over us, nor guilt us into doing what we already love to do.

1. Nearly every other church within a ten mile radius of my home is starving for capable musicians...and I choose to share my God-given talent with your church.

OK, all you worship leaders (I speak as a former one)... is this an accurate list?  What would you add?  (Feel free to post anonymously if you wish on this one).  And the final question?  What don't you just tell him these things?  smile

Todd















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  • Posted by bernie dehler

    In context of the article, the relationship looks like a husband/wife situation.  They are supposed to be a team, one.  Yet you get stories like “What husbands want their wives to know,” etc.

    ...Bernie

  • Posted by chris

    Colossians 3 indicates the music is a prelude to the teaching ministry of the church, not a prelude to your sermon.

  • What a load of selfish eccentric crap!

  • I don’t know what all the fuss is.  I’ve said these and more!  I have the scars to prove it, too.

    How about: a few “questions” for the pastor that NEVER get answered.  (Bill, if you are reading this, forgive me and..um...this is about my last pastor!)

    1-Why can’t you finish your sermon prep earlier than 30 minutes before the service?
    2-I need more money for gear, please??
    3-Do I ever have to do Christmas again?
    4-Do you know that your wife can’t sing?
    5-Are you aware that you have no ear for music....sir?
    6-Can you cut a couple point out of your sermon so we can sing more, please?

    Those are my questions…

  • Posted by

    how about some things pastors want to say to the musicians.
    1. Playing louder than everyone else doesn’t make you more Godly.
    2. You may be talented, but no one wants to listen to a ten minute drum solo.
    3. Don’t treaten to leave.  It’s just as selfish as the pastor asking for a raise or treatening to leave.
    4. A 7-11 song (the same seven words sung eleven times or for an eternity) is not always worship.
    5. We greatly appreciate your talent, but the rest of us tone deaf people also want to worship with a joyful noise, put up with us sometimes.
    6. Lead us in worship, don’t make it a personal concert of your talent.

    Music is a valuable part of the worship experience.  It can be a valuable part or even the entire service.  But when it becomes about us, it is no longer what God desires.

  • Posted by

    The comment about the pastor shortening his sermon for more music reflects a widespread and dangerous trend to move our serivces away from a focus on God’s word and towards an emotional experience that is primarily self-centered.

  • Posted by Ben

    Wooah...this sounds like there might be a pot boiling out there that needs to be addressed before it explodes all over the kitchen!

    I’ve been leading (I use this term VERY loosely) a worship team for about 3 years now.  I have to say that we “artists” are definitely a bit on the “colorful side”.  It can be very easy to have these types of confrontations with artists using their gifts in the church.

    I can say (and this is NOT a kissup as my pastor does not surf the blots, that I know of anyway) that my pastor and I have a great working relationship.  He, as pastor is given the vision of where God wants our church to go, I as worship leader support that vision in my role through worship.  If there’s a problem that I have with the pastor, I will GO to him, not post my complaints on a blog site.  We’re really big on using Matthew 18 as a reference to dealing with disagreements.  But who knows, maybe Billy Cox is not writing about his current experiences as a worship leader but just attempting to speak out for us worship leaders from past experiences of his and others. 

    If I were to add to the list it would be this…

    1.  It is EXTREMELY important that pastors define the role that you want your worship leaders to play in creating the services. Please tell us if the worship is really ours to lead, or will you be pulling every string from backstage.

    2. And to the worship leader...YOU are NOT that important.  Get over yourself! God could just as easily bring a different person to fill your role as he brought you. It’s the role of worship leader that is important, not you. 

    I love it that there’s another worship leader out there blogging on these types of issues.

    And we need each other to accomplish the vision.  We also need to be able to communicate with each other and discuss our concerns about our positionas without feeling threatened. 

  • Posted by Ben

    Ok, I just went and read Billy’s blog, man, there’s a LOT more going on there than just worship leading problems.  I answered my earlier comment that these are problems he’s dealing with currently.

    This is a danger about blogging for sure.  I hope the guy can make it.  Rough stuff.

  • Posted by

    Ben,

    You may have taken my comment in the wrong light - I have no conflict with my musix director and it is a joy to share in the planning and preperation of our worship services. The center of the service is proclaimg of God’s word. 

    I appreciate your comment about the worship leader - it also applies the pastor as well.  It is the message of God’s word that is to be the focus - not the messenger.

  • Posted by

    It’s true......I’m a worship leader as well.  Over 25 years....full time...go figure. 

    As usual, Bernie missed the point and takes a lickin’ “but keeps on tickin”.  Chuck....well....let’s move ahead shall we.

    Additional questions might be:
    - can you communicate your wishes more clearly and give me a chance to work the plan?
    - do you realize that the service is also NOT about you but the combined tools we use to get the message we’re trying to get across to some needy people?
    - do you know that I can’t talk to you plainly about “service” stuff because I fear the loss of my job if we disagree?  (it gets personal...both ways)
    - can you understand that not everything in the music selection may be to your liking and that God can speak to more than one person at a time?  (yes, I realize you’re the authority here....and I’ll follow your lead....when we’re going somewhere.)

    There’s more....but this is a late post and probably won’t be read anyway.

    Thanks Todd.  Keep up the good work of keeping our minds and spirits “tuned up.”

  • Posted by

    Thank you, Bart!!!  I’m a worship leader and I SOOOOO appreciate your perspective!  Those things (I’m speaking as a melancholy, moody artist) may be tough to hear, but I wholeheartedly agree!

    Thanks to you, too, Todd!  I don’t identify with the article’s perspective, but it sure reminds me to keep my ego in check.

  • I hope that some got the attempt at humor in my list of questions--especially the one about shortening a sermon.  God’s word in song and in preaching are both valid, so it funny to ask the pastor to share a bit and let the people (not the worship leader guy) respond in song or other acts of worship.  How about a second offering once in a while?

    I am just trying to keep something biblical here on this next point.  The so called “7-11 songs” might be more biblical than songs with a lot of wordy theology.  Rev. 4:8 “...and day and night they never cease to say. ‘Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come.’” The worship of heaven seams to allow repition.  The Lord’s prayer is another example.

  • Posted by Billy Cox

    Yes, when I went to MondayMorningInsight.com this morning, I saw a title that looked very familiar. For the record, the original title is ‘Top 6 things that musicians want their pastor to know’.

    Yes, I was writing from present (but soon to be past) experience. My final day in this assignment is October 2.

    The pastor actually asked me to stay on when I resigned, but I declined because sometimes a ‘divorce is better than a bad marriage.’

  • Posted by

    since when did “worship” come to refer ONLY to singing time at church?

    it seems the modern church is so hungry for the sacraments (and doesn’t even know it) that it has made “sing time” into a sacrament of it’s own.

    interesting…

    in Christ,

    tad

  • Posted by

    I’ve got a great one I’d like to add…

    -Musicians feel ill-used when you have someone who can barely sing… AND they use an accompaniment track… AND the worship band could’ve played the song and it would’ve been better.

    And here’s a reality check for all you church musicians.

    -Every piece of positive feedback you’ve ever gotten from a friend has been useless. Some of the negative feedback is useless, too. Your friends are your fans, that’s their job. Go find someone who doesn’t know you real well and get feedback from THEM!

  • Posted by

    Several people posted something to the effect that the center of the worship service is the Word.

    Try this on for size...the center or the zenith of the worship gathering is actually God.  And all of the elements play a role in helping people, who come in with all sorts of stuff rolling around in their hearts and minds, encounter God.  The music touches the heart.  The message touches the mind (and sometimes the heart, too).  Communion touches the senses (feeling the bread, tasting the juice/wine).  Prayer touches the eternal hope in all of us that God hears and cares.  All of these elements (and more) bring a participant into an encounter with God.

    By saying that the Word is the center of worship and everything else leads toward that...I think that limits how we encounter God, which limits how we worship him.  Is it a true worship gathering if we don’t do a 30-minute expository message? 

    I think, yes.

  • Posted by

    AMEN, Matt!

    Sometimes I think when we make the Sermon the absolute central of the Worship “experience” we dilute the power of those other elements you mention, and in the process we inadvertently give license to those people who never enter into worship, even scheduling their drive to church in such a way that they arrive late enough to skip the music/prayers/etc.

    here’s something we started doing. We don’t put the lectern in place till the sermon actually starts. That lets people know that the musical worship time is not just “preparation for the sermon” but has an importance all its own.

  • Posted by

    Six Things Senior Pastors Would Like to Tell Their Worship Pastor
    6. Serve God not yourself
    5. It is His Sanctuary not ours and His Music not yours.
    4. Serve God not yourself
    3. Serve Gpd not yourself
    2. Sure it is, re-read your #6, #5, #4 and #3, stop contradicting yourself.  Serve God not yourself
    1. Where are you called here or there?  In either place, serve God not yourself

    Seriously, who are we called by and to serve?  Called by God to serve others, not self.  BOTH Worship Pastors and Senior Pastors… and youth pastors and executive pastors and oh yeah… Christians - i.e. Believers.

  • Posted by

    BeHim,

    Although it may not be true of everyone, every Worship Leader I’ve known REALLY understands the principle of Serving God, not yourself.

    And maybe that’s one of those things Worship Leaders want to tell Pastors. “We understand that!”

    But here’s a thought… maybe if there are a lot of things under the skin that are festering that I’d like to tell my Pastor but don’t, maybe there’s a communication problem! Maybe I should start saying these things. But that’s another thread for another time…

  • Posted by

    Peter

    Are the things you’re considering talking to your pastor about festering because the Scripture isn’t being followed or because of a personal issue with something.

    I would think the Scriptural issues are a necessity to discuss and the personal issues are the natural man (flesh) we all must deny and resist (carrying our cross in service to others - this after all is the calling of a “minister” - to serve others completely over self).

    I have all kinds of things I would like to say to all kinds of people about personal things but I try to keep to the things that are Scriptural so I don’t set myself up as the authority.  It’s hard to deny self - I’m sure you would agree.

  • Worship leaders and preachers are both guilty here.  The scripture has quite a few “one anothers” as you know.  So, how we treat each other on our personal issues really does matter to God.  Relationships do matter.  It would be a shame to accuse and point the finger in any direction without looking at our own hearts. 

    If any pastor has issues with his worship guy, I do hope he denies himself and shows grace.  Ministry is indeed about grace.

    Here are another 6 things to add to things to say to your senior pastor:
    1-"Please lead me by example as well as your words.”
    2-"Please be fair and not hold grudges when I overreact”
    3-"Please do not be jealous of sharing the platform with me.”
    4-"Please do not be envious if people love what I do.”
    5-"Please be my friend...for real!”
    6-"Please tell me your heart’s desire for this ministry, not just numbers, issues and practicalities.”

    Blessings!

  • Posted by

    Hummm - I didn’t think there was a lot I could add to any of these, however, I want to address the “no talent” people.  I’m a pastor, and I love to sing.  I don’t sing badly but my range is not quite all it should be sometimes.  Because I am one of the “no talents” should I be completely penalized for wanting to sing?  Maybe I could sing with a small group - trio, quartet, keep me away from solos.  I know how difficult that is.  Used to be a member of a church where a young lady loved to sing - which she did not do well.  However, everyone allowed her to sing.  No one said how it pained them to hear her.  Eventually one of our Choir members remembered a music leader she had at another church.  The man could not sing a note; was awful.  But, his joy in singing overrode the fact that he could not sing and he was allowed to do his job, and his joy was complete.  Like the young lady, we didn’t have to hear her every week so when she was to sing again, we knew we could tolerate it - like the music leader - her joy was complete because she was singing from her heart to her Lord.  And, then, now and again, the song would be hers and we did appreciate it.  In fact, the “no talents” were the ones who did sing from their heart; they didn’t become so upset if they hit a wrong note.  So, pastors, worship leaders, congregation, remember that it is difficult for these people to stand in front of you, they are nervous, they probably really don’t know they are not good.  Once in a while, you can stand it - think of it like this - how many people do you think Jesus listens to who can’t sing a lick.  He knows it comes from their heart, they are singing to him out of love.  Listen, listen, out of love for the person.

  • Posted by

    After reading all of your comments regarding pastor/worship leader relationships, I am encouraged to continue God’s call on my life to the “church at large”.  Let me just encourage you to submerge yourself in the message of the Beatitudes.  There is provision in that scripture for the self-sacrificing, the servant leader, the self-denying worshiper.  We have allowed ourselve to become empowered by our title of Worship “Leader”.  God calls us to be worshipers in spirit and in truth, not “worship leaders in spirit and in truth”.  Submit to your senior pastor and receive the blessings of the Holy Spirit released by your act of obedience in your worship.  We serve a God of order, and He places the senior pastor in the position of shepherd.  He/she is place in authority over the body of believers.  To whom much is given, much is required.  Pray for your pastor and serve him/her as you would serve the Lord.  That is our calling, brothers and sisters.  Let’s not be leading worship to the wrong god.  It is my prayer that God will continue to inhabit the praises of His people.  Let us continue to bring that sacrifice to the altar and thank Him for the privilege of one more opportunity to lift Him up in a corporate setting. Thank you.  Keep praising Him! Nancy Lyle - HeartSingers Ministries

  • Posted by

    After reading all of your comments regarding pastor/worship leader relationships, I am encouraged to continue God’s call on my life to the “church at large”.  Let me just encourage you to submerge yourself in the message of the Beatitudes.  There is provision in that scripture for the self-sacrificing, the servant leader, the self-denying worshiper.  We have allowed ourselve to become empowered by our title of Worship “Leader”.  God calls us to be worshipers in spirit and in truth, not “worship leaders in spirit and in truth”.  Submit to your senior pastor and receive the blessings of the Holy Spirit released by your act of obedience in your worship.  We serve a God of order, and He places the senior pastor in the position of shepherd.  He/she is place in authority over the body of believers.  To whom much is given, much is required.  Pray for your pastor and serve him/her as you would serve the Lord.  That is our calling, brothers and sisters.  Let’s not be leading worship to the wrong god.  It is my prayer that God will continue to inhabit the praises of His people.  Let us continue to bring that sacrifice to the altar and thank Him for the privilege of one more opportunity to lift Him up in a corporate setting. Thank you.  Keep praising Him! Nancy Lyle - HeartSingers Ministries

  • Posted by

    This is a late addition to all the comments posted here. Maybe someone will read this. I am a Senior Pastor and have been a Worship Leader in the past. I am not a very musical individual, but could lead with my wife’s musical ability. We were a team, working with other musicians.  I dearly love the modern contemporary “praise and worship” that is so popular. I also have been listening to praise and worship music over the past 30 years and have seen a frightening trend. The focus of the music has shifted over the years from “leading” and “involving” congregational singing and worship to a “Praise and Worship Show”, where the congregation has to show more attention to complicated chord structures and rythms than to the singing. Even though these are beautiful songs, they are mostly the “leader” or lead singer doing all the worshipping with the congregation standing struggling to keep up. I have found a few songs that are useful in congregational worship, but not many. I believe this is a trend in entertainment, not strictly praise and worship. This focuses on the talent of the band and singers rather than leading the church into the realms of Glory.
    I also detest Senior Pastors who like to hear themselves over allowing the worship to carry on. They like to keep a leash on the service rather than allowing for the sensitivity of the leader. If you can’t trust the worship leader you have brought on the team, something is either wrong with you or you wisdom in hiring staff.
    By the way, teaching of the Word of God is also considered worship. How else can we learn how to worship more effectively than by hearing and learning the Word. Otherwise, it is just an exercise in experientialism with no true foundation in Truth.

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