No, your not too harsh. For choosing to cash in on the situation instead of simply humbling himself and disappearing into the woodwork he is a loser. There were all kind of people willing to extend Grace to Ted Haggard when his fall came. He had a big teadm of prominent evangelicals willing to assist him. When he found out restoration and forgiveness didn’t include a return to 6 or 7 figure income and the limelight, THEN he threw these people under the bus with the “ ...that happened and more” self pity party.

He chose to be humbled when he lived a life apart from confession and repentance all those years. No one set him up but himself. Humility is the point the Lord is trying to teach him (and the rest of us for that matter) and he STILL wants the “Ted Haggard Show”, which HBO and Pelosi probably snicker at the opportunity of giving him.

Unbelievable.

We all need to see the warning in this.

Yes.  That was pretty harsh.

So sad.  This is reminiscient of Jimmy Swaggart; his ego will not allow there to be true repentance on his part.  For the sake of The Body of Christ and all concerned, please go quietly Ted.  Stay out of the limelight and let the healing process work it’s way out in this.  Please think about someone other than yourself; FOR ONCE!!!.

Sin is sin.  We can judge sin.  It is bad, destructive, and corrosive.  Ted is dealing with other aspects of sin...pride!  It is great when one is on top...but what is sad when so many preachers get caught up in their own rhetoric and belief that they are immunue.  Bakker, Swaggart, and now Ted.  It also happens among us lowly types as well.  I have known folks who were caught in sin, lovingly confronted, and they initially agreed to follow through...then to turn in anger on the body of Christ as if it were the church’s fault.  If Ted had been battling his issues for so long, why didn’t he take his own advice and seek counseling long ago?  Ted got his priorities mixed up.  Humility is needed in him.  Accountability is necessary.  Ted, if Christ and His church can deliver me from alcoholism (and I have been dry since August 8, 1985), then Christ can deliver you.  Take a dose of humility, mix in God’s word and stir it up with faithful counselors who will hold you tight in the grip fo their love.

Todd,

I’m impressed by you candor but know this:
the MOST loving thing you can do is tell someone the truth even if you think it sounds “harsh”.  Ted is capitalizing on this tragedy for the money HBO will pay him for the story and you are right in that he will use it to hopefully draw pity upon himself.  You did not compromise and called it for what it is.  Pray for him?...yes. Condone his sin then support his prideful decision to capitalize on it?...no.

I absolutely believe the Bible is clear on the issue of homosexuality - it is an abomination to God.  Ted gave into temptation and the price tag was so high.  We often don’t think of the price tag - what will it do to our families?  What does it do to our testimony?  What will it do where my job is concerned?  Most of all, what does it do to the heart of God?  As the Bible says, sin has it pleasure for a season.

Having said that, I wish the church was a place for those struggling with homosexuality to be open.  We have served in a pastoral role for many years.  We chose as a pastoral couple to convey the message that if you are struggling with ANY sin, come and let us help you.  We won’t reject you and we will walk help you walk in victory if you want that.

Most homosexuals that we have seen get free and stay free are still afraid to talk about their pasts.  It the “shameful” sin.  They feel they will never be looked at normal. 

In some cases, what about marriage.  If you knew a man was “delivered” from homosexuality, would you want your daughter to date and marry him?

These are hard questions.  The sin is awful but how do we help the sinner?

“At this stage in my life, I am a loser.”

Knowing you have a problem is the first step toward ignoring it and hoping everybody else forgets about it.

“Am I too harsh?”

Nope, you were right on.

For a while, we have been seeing Haggard engage in activities after his stepping down from being a pastor that have been questionable, including preaching in other venues, ignoring what his elders told him to do, and sometimes appearing as though he would start a new church.  And now we have him shamelessly promoting a biopic on HBO and talking about his homosexuality with almost no sense of remorse.

Frankly, he has yet to show Godly sorrow and repentance.  He has shown metamelomai, in feeling bad that he was caught, and not metanoia which is what God demands. 

If I saw that someone was doing a biopic on my sins in my life, I would feel horrible about those sins and tell people about the unworthy forgiveness I have been given through Jesus Christ.  Not advertising and boasting about it.

Shame on you, Ted.

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CS

Too harsh?  I think so.

Ted has indeed sinned and should face the consequences which, from my perspective, appears he is trying to avoid (accountability, recommended route of restoration).

The church should be a safe place to deal with (not condone) sin.  Generally speaking, it is--so long as your sin is gluttony, anger, gossip, anxiety, or pride (Jerry Bridges wrote an insightful book called Respectable Sins).  But heaven forbid if you mention you are dealing with same-sex attraction because there is no hope for perverts (at least that seems to be a prevailing attitude).

While I did not hear the context of his comment, it sounds as if Ted has had a life-long struggle--which means before he went into ministry he was dealing with this issue.  And his comment reflects that he would have been rejected, abandoned, kicked out, and ex-communicated had he tried to tell someone of his struggle (even before ministry).  And he was probably right.

Perhaps if the church were a safe place to confess sins to one another and to receive admonition, correction, encouragement, and help then Ted may have dealt with this struggle before it manifested itself the way it did.

So the bottom line is that Ted needs to accept responsibility for his sin.  And the church needs to accept responsibility to minister to all who are struggling with sin.  Any sin.

For those criticizing the church for taking a stand lets just remember. If we did not take a stand somewhere, How would we be any different from the world?
Also it is not just homosexuality we are talking about here. This is adultery, marital unfaithfulness. Would he not have been treated the same if he were soliciting female prostitution and buying drugs? Of course he would because it is sin according to scripture which the christian church follows.
Bottom line he broke the vows of his marriage whether it was witha man or a woman it was wrong. How he handles it is another story, but the church would not be the church if they did not sit him down for what he did. SO IF YOU THINK THE CHURCH IS HOMO HATERS, THINK AGAIN. IF THIS WERE WITH A WOMANT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED EXACTLY THE SAME.

Unfortunately Ted probably doesn’t understand the true probably with homosexuality, and neither does most of us because most likely we are homosexuals.  It is sin as stated by the Bible, but how does the evil nature grab a person in such a way that it overrides you knowledge of the Word of God and knowledge of the consequences of sin.  Has any considered that yes Ted may have been abused as a child, but what about the fact that lots of people are abused, but are not homosexuals.  Have we considered that our sexuality is the most pleasure sensation to our senses and it was created by God for its purposed?  What about considering that since there is a war of good and evil that takes place that the perversion of this greater and only deliverance is obtainable through the Spirit of God?  I agree with those that states of Ted’s pride which is a greater sin itself.  Once Ted is delivered from pride and embrace humility, then perhaps he will be able to be delivered from the demonic nature of the persuaion of homosexuality.  We as the Body of Christ is required to pray the prayer of intercession for each other and regardless to his sin(s), he can’t free himself.  Whom in jail is able to free themselves?

What’s so sad about this whole thing is people tend to think this is a gay issue.  Well, it’s not, it’s a sin issue.  It doesn’t matter if Ted fell because of homosexuality or if he had an affair with a secretary it’s all sin.

Ted didn’t loose his position and prominence because the church is up in arms about homosexuality it’s because Ted sinned.  That’s what needs to be remembered.

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