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Today’s Buzz:  Travis Hafner, Virtual Church, Church Distractions, and Psalm 23 JudgeTravis Hafner

Orginally published on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 7:45 AM
by Todd Rhoades

In today’s buzz; Meeting your baseball hero, attending an online church, 322 decisions for Christ, building healthy staff relationships, handling distractions in worship, and getting our of jail because of the 23rd Psalm.  All this and more!…

Travis Hafner, The Cleveland Indians, and Church
Yesterday, I had a great time taking my second oldest son to a Cleveland Indians baseball game.  He had a blast.  He is “BIG” into baseball, and I loved the one-on-one time with him.  His favorite part… stalking the players at the player entrance.  He was able to get about 12 autographs; and meet his favorite player, Travis Hafner.

You heathen… how could you attend a baseball game on a Sunday?  I’m glad you asked… I used the opportunity to attend a service at LifeChurch.tv’s online campus.  I’ve wanted to do that for some time, and Saturday night was a great opportunity.  Whoever is saying that video isn’t effective should actually try a multi-site, or even an internet campus sometime.  My experience at the LifeChurch campus was very good.  The worship was good.  The streaming was nearly flawless.  And the message was outstanding.  I understand that around 700 people attended the ‘virtual’ service a couple weeks ago. 

And… get this… during the service, Craig Groeschel mentioned that 322 people made a decision for Christ the previous week at all of the LifeChurch campuses combined! That’s something to get excited about!

Have you ever attended a multi-site or online worship service?  What were your thoughts?

How to Build Healthy Staff Relationships
How healthy is your church staff in their relationship with each other?  Here’s a great article to assess where you’re at and make needed improvements.

So… how healthy are your staff relationships?

Man, that Woman Could Dance!
What would you do if you have a woman dancing wildly (and being very distracting) during one of your services?  Read how Mark Batterson handled it here.

What’s the most distracting thing that’s happened in one of your worship services?  How did you address it (or did you?)

23rd Psalm Gets Man Out of Jail
A Cincinnati judge did nothing wrong when he challenged a defendant to quote a Bible passage, the Ohio Supreme Court has determined. A complaint was filed against Hamilton County Municipal Court Judge John Burlew by a California activist who said use of the Bible was inappropriate.  Burlew was on the bench in April when Eric Hine, 43, of Cincinnati, came before him on a charge of receiving stolen property. Hine’s attorney asked for a low bond, saying Hine had a full-time job and was a regular churchgoer. Burlew told Hine that if he could recite the entire 23rd Psalm, he’d let him out of jail with just his signature. Hine recited all six verses. The judge said he didn’t give Hine a favorable deal because of his religious beliefs, but because Hine proved his lawyer’s claim of being a regular churchgoer. He later pleaded guilty.” HT—The Bible Belt Blogger.

Would you have been released, or would you still be rotting in prison?

And Finally…
Skyping Baby Names

Have a great day!

Todd


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  There are 17 Comments:

  • Posted by

    the cartoon is so hilarious!

    Online church - well, I don’t think it ever can replace the fellowship of the saints. You have to be present with other believers. It would be like the early Christians considering themselves in fellowship with Paul if all they did was read his letters. I am becoming a big multi-site fan, though.

  • Posted by Noel

    I posted this on Mark’s site, but since you linked to the article and asked the question, I thought I’d post it here too…

    In the past 6 months, I have had two distractions which completely took me off guard:

    1) While closing the service in prayer, I realized a couple was making out in the front row. I saw tongue...lot’s of tongue.

    2) A teenage visitor sat in the front row right in front of me and talked to me the entire sermon.

    Somehow our first row attracts the weirdos.

  • Posted by

    To answer your question in regards to how healthy is our staff relations. Well, as I write this our Lead Pastor, our Executive Pastor and our NexGen Pastor are all together on a fishing boat on Lake Erie. Two weeks ago our entire staff and families went to a Pittsburgh Pirate baseball game, and this Thursday we are getting together for a family day of boating, swimming and of course eating. Also last month our Church Treasurer and I (Administrative Assistant) went to California together for a fun vacation. Soooooooo I would say our staff relations are extremely close. This is the best place to work by far, even with out the extra curricular events.

  • Posted by

    Yes - church is a gathering of the Eclessia, to worship together and combine gifts with one another so that the body of Christ can be built up and the kingdom advanced.  I wonder how Groeschel is addressing these needs at LifeChurch.tv.

    Wendi

  • Re: Attending multi-site - - - Yes, I’ve attended two different multi-site churches here in the Chicago area. In both instances, I have been left with a question. Are these churches saying that the gift of teaching/preaching is more rare and highly prized than other “platform” gifts? Both churches I visited had live worship teams, a campus pastor emcee, and, in the case of one church, an on-site drama team, but this church also piped in drama from the mother church on occasion as well. Only the best of the best verbal communicators will ever give a message at these churches; and the message seems to be that this particular gift/skill mix is even rarer and more highly prized than that of other gifts. (Oh, I know - other preachers/teachers can exercise their gifts in small groups and classroom settings at their particular campus).

  • Posted by Stephen Wulf

    great article on staff relationships, however, if a senior pastor really wants the truth about the questions asked, he will ask his staff to complete the same questions about him to see if both answers come up similar.  Too often human nature tells us that things are better than we think, when in reality they are not.  Just a thought.
    steve

  • Posted by Andy Sikora

    As a guy who works for a church in Cleveland I’m super jealous of your time down at the Jake.  I watched the first 6 innings before I had to go to work.  Here’s hoping that Travis Hafners’s back and will continue to hit like he did yesterday!

  • Posted by

    our church merged with another, larger church in the area. Personally, I didn’t have problems with the videocasts, in and of themselves. The teaching was good, and we continued to have a local, live praise band. Still, one thing that rubbed me wrong on it…

    One of the commitments made when moving to video-casts for the multiple locations was that we would have live teaching every three to five weeks. For the first year or so that was the case. I have since moved from the area, but from talking with friends still there, its now 4 to 6 months between live teaching appearences.

  • Posted by

    If there is a price for most distracting event, I believe that I have got it covered in spades. Several years ago when I was a relatively new single pastor, a visiting middle-aged woman stood up in the middle of service, pointed her finger in my direction and in a loud voice, screamed, “Adulterer!” No words would calm her down. At the last, we were forced to have the police escort her out. I never did learn why she came to such a conclusion, nor did we ever see her again, but needless to say no one remembered the Bible Study that night!

  • Posted by

    I have attended both online and and in person services at LifeChurch.tv. The one thing that sticks out to me is not so much the concept of what they are doing but their willingness to be creative, focused and committed to reaching people for Christ. I am reminded that it is a combination of form and function that can make something work and I see LifeChurch.tv doing that very well.

  • Posted by

    Sorry - the use of the personal pronoun in your quote above does it for me:

    “My experience at the LifeChurch campus was very good.”

    “My” is the essential problem—what about what you bring to the community?  How do you know if the “worship was good” - wasn’t it directed toward the Lord - shouldn’t it be his opinion that matters? 

    I have been to a multi-site church, and I was surprised to be quite turned off.  It struck me as worship of the wrong object - worship of a star-preacher.  The community that existed seemed to have in common their excitement at being at this really cool church. 

    I think this is really a fad, and we will have to pick up the pieces some day.

  • Posted by

    We are with some that are starting a multi site church . The mother church is about 30 min away and the live feed will stream to the church as well as on the internet . It is a good concept in that it uses the tech of today to reach others and that in this church there is a resident pastor and live praise band . I think though it would be a good thing to use when the pastor of the mother church was doing a specific series or something and not a every Sunday thing and left that up to the resident pastor . You gain the fellowship of the church and they don’t seem to feel separated or distant from the lead pastor . Like once a month have the live feed or something like that would be a better blend.

  • Posted by

    In addition to our local church, my wife and I regularly participate online in another church’s services. It allows us to not only get new ideas for implementation in our own local services, but also gives us the chance to participate in services without our usual distracting responsibilities.
    While I believe this delivery method will never truly replace the fellowship and other community aspects of the local church, it does provide a very good opportunity for others to be involved who cannot physically attend services.
    During the portion of the service before the message and for quite a while after sthe service, an online chat is available where we can connect with others viewing the service.  We share ideas and provide encouragement to each other.  Among those I communicate with regularly are those church members serving in church supported ministries that have taken them away from the local community.  We hear regularly from a missionary in India and the church camp directors who participate with their home church body through online services.
    This church because of its location has a large military contingent.  One of the regular online participants is a church members and his unit mates who view each week by commandeering the mess hall in their camp in Iraq.
    The online services are also viewed regularly by local people who prefer to see what the church is all about with some level of anonymity.  Several of the first time decisions made this past Easter were online through chat discussions with church leaders who also viewed online.
    I’m not convinced that an online church provides all of the things God intended in a local body of believers, but it can provide another avenue for those who can’t or won’t physically attend church.

  • Posted by

    I have attended several services at Lifechurch.tv on a campus. I know that there are many churches across the country that televise their services on either local tv or network tv. Some are good some are not. I get excited when I see what lifechurch is doing and how they are taking modern methods and using them for the glory of God and reaching thousands of people who would not be reached otherwise. We have tried to implement some of Lifechurch’s material and ideas, although we don’t have other campuses, yet. I say anyone who is critical of LifeChurch or others like it need to wake up and smell the coffee.

  • Posted by Tim Severance

    Funny you should ask about disturbances in church this week. Just yesterday after I had finished speaking and praying at our 8:30 Worship service, only 4 of the 8 members of the Praise band came back up on stage. What made it worse is that the keyboard player could have played the invitation song by herslef and closed up the service, but the power to her keyboard had been shut off during the message due to a humming noise. There was a lengthly uncomfortable silence as the band members slowly trickled back up on stage.

    We’re currently addressing the issue. Seems the missing band members (teenagers) were in the lower level and failed to realize service was about to end. One requirement for future Sundays will be that anyone performing in the band will remain either in the sanctuary or directly in the lobby.

    The current band leader is stepping down. That may solve many of our problems.

  • Posted by

    The most distracting thing ever to happen in one of my services occurred about 25 years ago when we had just moved into a storefront building.  We had not finished the remodeling before we moved in so the bathroom was located just to the left of the stage.  One Sunday morning during the sermon a man went into the bathroom and shut the door.  A few minutes later a young boy needed to use the bathroom.  The man inside had forgotten to lock the door, so the kid was shocked to see someone already seated in the bathroom, so he just walked away leaving the door wide open!  That meant that about 200 people on that side of the auditorium were looking at this hapless guy instead of listening the sermon.  Eventually someone got up and shut the door for the poor guy who remained in the bathroom until the service ended.  Needless to say, that service was memorable to all who were there.  No-one has been able to remember the man’s name so I think he never came back.  Of course, no one remembers what the sermon was about that Sunday either!

  • Posted by

    Most distracting thing; a young lady who was sitting in the third row very close to the platform who began to pick her nose.  Her endeavor apparently took on some urgency as the object of her desire began to slip away from her, not to gradually her finger went from what might be able to be explained away as just scratching the inside of her nose to a second joint full on picking.  The seating area was small so she was only seated about ten feet from me.  Try as I might (and I really wanted to) I could not remove her from my peripheral vision.  Unfortunately she did not stop with a simple “dig roll and flick” when she finished her task (I thought) she examinied the end of her finger and finding it pleasing; ate it.

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