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Today’s Buzz: Whan You Think You’re Right; Rethinking Rethink; and Political Pastors…

Orginally published on Thursday, November 15, 2007 at 8:05 AM
by Todd Rhoades

How do you respond to someone (or church) who does ministry differently than you do? And what do you think of Rethink? This an more in today's buzz...

When You Think You’re Right...
Tony Morgan has a most excellent piece over at TonyMorganLive.com on ‘being right’.  Tony writes:  I have a growing frustration. It’s something that’s been on my mind for the last several months. Maybe you can help me out. I’m always fascinated by people that have their perspective of the right way to do church. And, rather than just doing church the way they believe is the right way, they feel like they have to tell other churches why they’re doing it the wrong way. Why is that?  In fact, if someone figured out the right way to do church and wanted to try to encourage other churches to consider that right way, even that would make sense. I’d likely listen and learn from what they have to say. But, instead of doing that, I’ve seen many instances when people feel like they need to attack churches that do it differently.  Read the rest here... I love Tony’s conclusion.  What a better place the church world would be if everyone could do as Tony suggests!

Rethink Conference Should Rethink Press Release
As some of you may know, the Crystal Cathedral is hosting a conference called Rethink in January.  It has gotten some bad blog coverage from the typical ‘watchdog’ websites because 1) It’s at Robert Schuller’s church and 2) it’s a leadership conference that features some non-Christians as speakers.  Some feel that the fact that it’s hosted at the CC voids it of any value.  Those same people somehow think that Christian leaders have nothing to learn from non-Christian leaders.  I think both points are wrong.

Today, I received a press release from Rethink titled ‘Conference Rethinks Methods, Not Gospel Methods’.  It starts out like this:  “Rethink, a groundbreaking conference scheduled for January 17-19 at The Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, California, is being attacked from some corners of the country. Some media outlets are using inflammatory words like “heretic” and “apostasy” to describe Rethink host Dr. Robert H. Schuller and his ministry, while other bloggers and talk-show hosts are decrying Rethink’s convergence of some of the most influential Christian and global thinkers, innovators, and leaders.”

In reality, I think they give the watchdog bloggers more credit than they deserve.  Let’s face it… they weren’t going to attend Rethink anyway.  And neither were any of their readers.

Co-founder of the conference, Bill Dallas writes: “Despite the criticism and detractors, we are not dissuaded from our goal: to harvest the very best perspectives, discoveries, strategies and action plans to empower people to reach their greatest level of service… even if those elements come from some unexpected sources.” I would agree with that statement, Bill.  I have much to learn from any leader, regardless if they give me three points and a poem at the end.

Conferences like this, to me, are valuable.  You just have to go in knowing what you’re experiencing; and understanding that you need to discern what is valuable for God to use in your life and ministry.  For this reason alone, I may attend Rethink myself.

Huckabee Gives Sermon at Prestonwood
The Huckabee campaign is expected to announce the endorsement of several social conservative leaders, including Christian radio host Janet Folger and Matthew Staver, dean of the law school at Liberty University founded by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell.  On Thursday, conservative activist Donald Wildmon of the American Family Association joined East Texas evangelical leader Rick Scarborough in publicly supporting Mr. Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor.  The campaign has also attracted the backing of several influential members of the Southern Baptist Convention. Among them are former convention president James Draper of Colleyville and Prestonwood Baptist Church pastor Jack Graham.  Last Sunday, Mr. Huckabee delivered a sermon at the 28,000-member Prestonwood Baptist in Plano.  The Republican presidential hopefuls are all seeking the support of social conservatives, a key voting bloc in the GOP primary. Religious conservatives backed President Bush in his two campaigns but have not united behind anyone in the current GOP presidential field.  SOURCE

Another Pastor Appeals to Iowa Pastors to Support Ron Paul...
Pastor Chuck Baldwin, a Florida pastor, writes “Ron Paul lives his Christian faith and takes his oath to the Constitution seriously. What more could we ask for in a Presidential candidate? Every Christian pastor should seriously consider Congressman Ron Paul.” SOURCE

That’s it for today… make it a great one!


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  There are 8 Comments:

  • Posted by Camey

    That Tony is an interesting read all right.

  • Posted by

    I have no problem what so ever with seeing non-Christian speakers at a Christian conference if they are speaking on leadership/culture etc and not giving spiritual leadership.

    But I do think it is wrong to have false teachers giving spiritual leadership.

    I don’t know enough about Robert Schuller. But from the little I know he doesn’t believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven. If this is wrong. Please - I would love to be corrected. But if this is correct, then I would consider him a false teacher (in that he has gotten something fundamental about the gospel totally wrong). I would not feel comfortable hearing him give spiritual leadership.

    On a side note, I would have no problem hearing Schuller at a secular leadership seminar talking about team building, or organizational management etc.

  • Posted by Daniel

    Mark, with all due respect, do we think Christian leadership is like leadership in the world? What does this make of Jesus’ explicit contrast between how his disciples are to behave (by washing feet) and how people in authority in the world exercise their authority? Not saying we can’t learn anything from non-Christians, but perhaps it’s not as easy as you make it out to be. Our allegiance to Christ’s Kingdom should make us do everything differently.
    Further, I know nothing about this Schuller fellow, but please please please, let’s not make “believing that Jesus is the only way to heaven” the litmus test for orthodoxy! Christianity is adamantly not about ‘getting into heaven’.
    My two cents.
    -Daniel-

  • Posted by

    Hi Daniel.

    Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

    Just curious… I agree with you that heaven is not all there is to Christianity. But, I think most evangelicals would agree with the following…

    1) Everybody spends eternity somewhere.

    2) I need Jesus to pay for my sins and receive the Holy Spirit to get to heaven.

    3) Jesus died on the cross because there was a coming wrath. Somebody had to pay.

    4) The gospel (Christ alone, faith alone, grace alone, substitutionary atonement, resurrection etc) is of first importance. Those who preach a different gopel need to be condemned (Gal 1).

    What are your views on the above? And have you arrived at them because you believe the scriptures, or because you question the accuracy/authority of the scriptures?

    Thanks

    Mark

  • Posted by

    I used to live near the CC and my neighbor was Schuller’s chauffer.  My neighbor attended another church, but pretty much spent time daily with RS.

    He said he was a believer.  I do know that the CC had some very solid ministries and gave millions to missions.  We also did do some joint youth ministry with theirs, and we were solidly evangelical and together we had solidly evangelical ministry partnerships.

    Not them I’m endorsing him.  We used to joke about the “walk of fame”, nameplates EVERYWHERE of people who had donated this and that and the other.
    His original philosophy of ministry was not much different then Willow Creek’s, in that he saw Sunday morning services as outreach, and the other ministries the place to feed those who came into.
    Not going to argue that point, except that his “outreach” services don’t or at least didn’t at that time, present Christ.  And I know that friends who were paid singers there (I sang there once too) were told they couldn’t sing about the blood of Christ on Sunday morning.  I had a friend who quit over that.

    Anyway, I think he’s a believer, but has a questionable philosophy of ministry.

    And frankly, Mark, if Jesus isn’t the only way to heaven, how do you reconcile “I am the way the truth and the life.  No one comes to the Father, but by me.” with your statement?

    Jan

  • Posted by

    Hi Jan

    Just to clarify - I firmly believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven!!!

    I believe that apart from the death of Jesus, we stand under judgement. There is a coming wrath, and somebody has to pay. Either we pay or Jesus pays.

    Thanks for your insight Jan.

    My issue is this… Does Schuller believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven. If he doesn’t, then he must believe something different to the gospel. In which case he is a false teacher.

    If however, he does believe the gospel, then I have no problem disagreeing with some of his ministry ideas (and may actually be excited by some of them)

  • Posted by

    jesus is the only way, but some people compromise to make people feel good, or to get people to come to THEIR church, i have been really surprised at the people that has never heard about jesus, especially the young from 13 years to 35 years. some of them has never heard of some of the preachers on tv. or ever gone to church. i guess we need to pray more that the lord will send people to the fields to harvest,

  • Posted by

    I think it’s bizarre that anyone would say that christianity is fundamentally not about getting into heaven.  Have I misunderstood the primary message of Jesus?
    Matthew 4:17 (NKJV)
    From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

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