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Youth Ministry Surveys I’d Like to See

Orginally published on Sunday, March 18, 2007 at 7:46 PM
by Michael Kowalson

A few weeks back, one of the responses to my article was a request for “Hard Data” on the tenure of Youth Pastors. Sadly - it would take a lot of time to pull the quote and find the answers. But the fact is we need better data on these things. I know some churches aren't fully honest when it comes to the tenure of their youth pastors.

I’m not saying they’re all dishonest - but I know many I have interviewed in weren’t fully honest with me - until I investigated with the denomination or other local churches in the area.  For example, I know of one church that would say that they can’t keep youth pastors - yet they have fired one every approximately 18 months for almost ten years.  In speaking with them a few years ago they estimated the tenure of their youth pastors at “3-4 years”.  Being a representative of a different churcn the denomination, I knew the truth.  I believe many (and have caught a few) churches exaggerate in the same manner because the truth is embarrassing.  That said, here are a few Surveys and I’d like to see anyone tackle in the area of youth ministry

1.  Accurate denominational and regional exit surveys.  Let’s see what the average tenure of Youth workers actually is - with reasons for quitting - or termination.  Be sure to monitor church web sites for “mysterious disappearances” of staff.  Be sure to get results from both the church and the dismissed person for both sides.  - a cumbersome survey to be sure - but better than the bickering over the estimates!

2. Why We Want to Quit- surveys of youth pastors about why the want to quit and why the ultimately keep choosing to stay.  A value to all of us in remembering what we’re called to.

3. Church Vision Survey - Do churches have youth ministry as part of their vision (particularly rural churches whose students leave for the “city”) - Does the church have a vision for the youth ministry or is that left solely to the youth pastor.  What are they doing to accomplish that vision - how do they measure it?

4. Youth Pastoral support Survey.  Designed to assess the level of REAL support after hiring.  I have asked the question of all churches I have candidated at.  I always got very few answers.  While churches don’t hire us for us to fail - they sometimes don’t do a lot to take off the pressure to help us succeed.  The churches have spoken of vacation, senior pastor as the main support and not much more.  We need surveys to find out what churches are doing (or not doing) to support their youth pastors .  Are they providing a listening ear with wisdom and without repercussions?  I could go on and on.  We need ths survey because most church don’t have support strategies for a ministry almost all the pastors I know say they would never take on because it’s too difficult.

So I challenge any who have the time to take this on.  Give us some stats we can really use to help us out.  We focus so much on the stats for ministries - maybe we need stats on our youth ministers so we can see where we really stand - and churches can see the state youth ministry in general - in the average church.

Michael Kowalson has been married for twelve years and is the father of four daughters.  Currently, Michael is the Youth Pastor of The Nelson/Balfour/Junction Covenant Church in British Columbia, Canada. 



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  • Posted by Greg Bowman

    George Barna did some research on this topic for SHIFT! the 2007 Student Ministries Confernce at Willow and talked about the findings in an interview. You can watch a five minute clip of the interview at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvaJKKKL1S8 or search for George Barna on YouTube. The whole interview (two and a half hours) will be available for download soon.

  • Posted by kent

    I am a senior pastor with a youth pastor serving in our church, and my goal is to hang on to her for as long as I can. I believe we support her well, we pay her a good salary and give her benefits with 4 weeks of vacation, and help with her continuing education. I try to make sure she is not worked to death, and shield her from unrealistic expectations from the church.

    What else would you suggest? She has peers and friends that she contacts on a regular basis. Anything else?

  • Kent,

    Great question!  You have mentioned two very important items of suport not all churches do! 1.  Shielding from unrealistic expectations and 2. make sure she is not worked to death.  You have also gotten to know her well enough to know she is in contact with peers and friends ona regular basis.  (Some churches I know - and youth pastors I know - are unable to claim peer networking as work time).  These are some of the supprt avenues I refer to.  Others can be - work time for professional reading, a required 2 day personal retreat - similar to a mini-sabbatical - with an assigned minsitry goal to the 2 day retreat.  (examples could be re-examining their role - seeking Go’ds personal direction for themselves for renewal - and others).  These are some things I am aware of some churches doing.  That’s why I think a survey of what many churches do could be enlightening and wish we had soem of that info on the informal and formal supports that can be used.  Mnay churches can’t afford - but national youth worker type conventions are good as well.

  • Posted by Gies

    I have been in Youth Work for about 10 years, and I’ve been at the same church for over 4 years.  I’ve seen a LOT of my peers come and go.  From my observations I see two reasons that cause a large majority of youth leaders to leave.  The first reason is the life phase of most youth leaders.  Most churches want to hire the cool young guy with the gotee, or the energetic young lady who draws the teenage girls in and dresses like the youth, except everything important is covered up.  Most of the folks their age change majors in college a half dozen times or so because they don’t really know what they are getting into.  These young adults only know they are called into ministry and simply gravitate toward what they are familiar with, where they feel most comfortable, or the only position they can obtain.  (let’s face it, no one would hire a 25 year old Senior Adults Ministry) Most college students I know want to do youth work, work with college students or be single ministers, if they are single, and young married ministers if they are married.  (I know very stereotypical but true to life) Most seminary students I know want to be seminary or Bible college profs or preachers.  All that to say, if you hire a person that doesn’t know what they want to be when they grow up and they don’t really understand what being a Youth leader means you will get high rates of turnover.  That is bad but it is typical of that age group.  Ask a person in business how high turnover is for younger workers who don’t like their job, even though they are good at it, or just want to try something else.

    Second reason youth leaders leave relates to expectations of the ministry.  Some are unrealistic, some are ridiculous, and some ministries have opposing expectations.  Youth ministry is guided by the leadership of the church as well as the leadership of the parents.  A lot of times parents, committees, counsels, etc… have people on them with different, and at times disparate, philosophies of youth ministry.  Some want it safe at all costs to keep their kids from bad influences, others want it fun at all costs to keep kids interested, some want it relationship-based, others want it program-based, etc… They have different ideas about discipline or lack of, what activities are appropriate or not, and they hold these ideas with a degree of fervor that would make George Washington seem like a dispassionate patriot.  These expectations may be discussed in a philosophic way during the hiring process but most likely they aren’t truly revealed until after the contract is signed.  Many times these expectations come out during a crisis, when emotions are high.  The parties involved may not even realize they have these expectations, or feel so strongly about them until they see them violated.  Then, there is either an instantaneous explosion which results in a youth leader change or the murmurings continue until the youth leader feels no other option but moving on.

    Either way it is not good.

    I don’t see this trend changing any time in the near future, but hopefully as youth ministry becomes more mature, its leaders will as well.  And hopefully the church will feel the same way about youth ministry as youth leaders do.

  • Posted by Gman

    Group magazine I believe has done some service to debunk the myths of the 18mth and also what the tenure actually is. Christian Smith has done some research as well as some of the YM That Transforms data out there. The problem is there are always exceptions to the rule ... and some of the stats are made up. Unfortunately we like to spread the myths too knowing someone that has been fired due to the second class citizenship of the term youth pastor.

  • Posted by kent

    I want to make sure that the expectations are realistic and healthy in my church for the youth pastor. But I also think we need to understand that in the lives of many of the people in our congregations their jobs have unrealisitc expectations place upon them. They are under pressure that is almost insane. And it seems normal to them, so they often try to pass along those same expectations to the church staff, especially the youth pastor. So part of my job is the be shield and reality check.

    Mike, I have repeatedly tried to get my youth person to head off for the national retreat but they are not something she is interested in, she is also taking classes right now.

  • Posted by

    It seems to me that most Youth Pastors are not called to serve in that role for their whole professional career. I would think that part of a senior pastor’s role would be to help develop youth pastors to one day pastor their own church by giving them opportunities to preach and serve in non-youth related ministries. Of course, they have to be sure the load does not get too heavy. We brought on two young men as part-time assistant pastors about four years ago. They became full-time and one of the two gravitated toward the youth ministry. The other primarily supervises life groups and adult education. Each is given opportunities to develop and grow in the hopes that each will eventually leave and serve eleswhere. That goes to the vision we have as a church to be a training ground to send workers out into the world. We do this by giving people opportunities to serve and a vision to serve. With youth pastors as with all church paid employees, you do have to pay a fair wage with fair benefits for your community. That includes opportunity (and money) for further education.

  • Jim,

    You’ve accidentally hit on a pet peeve of mine - Youth ministry is not a stepping stone to other ministry.  I don’t believe that is what you are saying but I think it may be time for me to write on that.  I’ve hard too many people go into youth minsitry to get some experience and then go into “REAL” ministry.  I’ll reserve further comment until I write that article.

  • Posted by

    Michael -
    Sorry if I was misunderstood. I did not mean to demean Youth Ministry, but I think there are very few 50 or 60 year old Youth Ministers (one of which will now answer me back). I respect our Youth Minister for the way he ministers to his flock. It makes me wish I could go back to my youth and go through such an experience. However I would think that, eventually, most youth ministers move on into other areas of ministry. I admit that my knowledge is very limited. If someone has hard facts to refute that, I’d really like to hear them.

  • I’m sorry if you thought I criticized in that way - I was more criticizing the youth pastors who do it intentionally.  I knew (and thought I said) I knew that wasn’t what you were saying.  My apologies to you.  - - - You are correct that most move on thoguh I do know a few 50 year old youth ministers and on 63 year old youth minister.  It get increasingly harder to remain culurally relevant, draw upon your own experiences to minister.  But soem fo the keys can remain - a willingess to listen and value the young people - an ability to teach the Word in a life-changing relevant way.  And I do see the day where I may one day pastor a church instead of the youth - not because I’m “moving up” but because I’d end up doing a disservice to the youth should I stay.

  • Posted by

    Michael
    I could not agree with you more.

  • Posted by

    Age is irrelevant. If the person loves God and loves students ... that’s youth ministry and part of being a youth minister. I know tons of 50s, 60s, 70s and even 80s mentors of youth who are youth ministers in their own rights. Even great Youth Ministers like Les Christie. I think we are throwing in the towel too soon.  In the book Youth Ministry that transforms ,the idea of youth ministers haivng more than 16yrs in youth ministry and even as they grew older related better to parents and had a more effective ministry was on the high end pg. 235-236.  Ever hear of a guy named Doug Fields who is fastly approaching 50? Mike Yaconelli who pastored a church and an inspiration to youthworkers before his untimely death was in his 60s. Then there are the 80 and 90 young ladies who just love on teens and bring the snacks.

  • Posted by Don Solin

    You are right!  Age is irrelevant.  My first 2 churches I did the youth thing at lasted 2.5 years each.  The last church I youth pastored lasted close to 10 years.  Why?  The Senior guy had my back period.  I could cast vision, push, work hard, enjoy, build, teach the out there stuff-- and he had my back.  Oh, I had to administrate, I had my enemies, but he had my back.

    Can’t wait to do it again.  Problem, now I’m 47 and not many churches want me.  They think its about flash, relating, being like a youth.  That is why youth guys don’t last long.

    In truth, you can’t have it both ways.  “We want a guy to relate” and then when he acts like a High School student-- gone.

    But if they want a more mature guy-- people are afraid he can’t relate.  I disagree.

    Looking for a church that wants a long termer.

  • Posted by

    I have problems at 47 that are similiar..I have the BRE but no one seems to be willing to give me a chance..Wow..I was disillusioned to find that there doesn’t seem to be a great need for workers as I thought there would be while I was in Bible College!

  • Posted by Camey

    Hey Mike: There is a HUGE need for workers. Keep hanging in there… Don Solin, who posted a comment above yours, is now back in youth ministry. He’s in his 40’s and etc… These things take time as much as we would prefer them not to. You were just prayed for!

  • Posted by

    I am the one who wrote this - and I’ve sworn off church based youth ministry after the last one.  So many churches use it as a glorified excuse for babysitting and want to control every aspect of the ministry as if they were the ones trained and experienced.  They interview you as if they plan to give you the chance to succeed and then try to micromanage every aspect.  I’ll say no more except that when I worte this I was dead wrong.

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