Todd,
I urge you to ignore everything that woman says. Please don’t give her more advertisement than her vitriol deserves. Her ‘views’ are not a curiosity that we can simply look on with a bemused look, but are rather a poison which makes believers everywhere either sin by agreeing with her or sin by hating her for the damage she does. I think you should remove this item.
Peace.
-Daniel-

do you really want to make sense of the heretic hunting sites?

do you really?

Ingrid uses overstatement to incite anger because her tools are not grace and truth but anger and selfrighteousness.

As for the video I am not sure the point, and all videos in our church need a clear point or purpose beyond shock.  I believe the church must address God’s view point of sexuality but the 30 day challenge does not help with this given the current state of sexuality in marriage and in culture.

“Ingrid uses overstatement to incite anger because her tools are not grace and truth but anger and selfrighteousness.”

Whew, it’s a good thing there’s only love with no judgmental spirit going on here. After all, what would unbelievers, who are not seeking God anyway, think of the “insight” shaed by the superior brand of Christians here.

Well Leonard,

“You attack Ken because you cannot deny what was said.” I guess we’re just going to have to agree to disagree here.

You also said you were, “trying to be more like Christ.” Based upon what you’ve said here it looks like you’re going to have to try harder.

“Whew, it’s a good thing there’s only love with no judgmental spirit going on here. After all, what would unbelievers, who are not seeking God anyway, think of the “insight” shaed (sic) by the superior brand of Christians here.”

I always wanted to add a “sic” to one of Ken’s comments.

Ken

Does the phrase “Hello kettle, pot calling” mean anything to you?

If I had a nickel for every time you or Ingrid based an indictment of heresy on misquotes and quotes out of context… well, I’d have a lot of nickels. And the exaggeration and overstatement that both of you regularly display is nothing short of sloppy journalism.

But thanks for having a sense of humor. I don’t see that from you so much.

So should we have naked people in a skit or drunk individuals, or maybe dogs vomiting on stage to illistrate what God’s word says?  I find nothing wrong with the video, but I also know that different people draw that line in different places.  God made man and woman, instituted marriage, and sex, but I don’t have a sex manual with illustrated pictures for a sermon.  Maybe in a marriage counseling session.  It isn’t what the church should talk about, but possibly how the church talks about it.

I have absolutely no problem with the church addressing sex.

However, I still question whether it should be done at the worship service where young people (esp. teens) might be present.

In my mind, it would be more “appropriate” to deal with it in small groups or special sessions where a bit of filtering of participants could take place.

On the other hand, I’m acutely aware that many who might attend a weekend service to learn about this all-important topic would not take the time to come to a small group or special session.

So while I’m not comfortable with it during a service, it’s probably the best way to reach the most people about it.

I’m preaching through Matthew and when we got to the part about lust, I set up a video player in another room and invited parents to have their younger kiddos go there during the sermon because I was going to get frank about things like porn and they may not want their kids to hear that kind of discussion from the pulpit.

I have to admit, I don’t plan on doing a series on the Song of Solomon any time soon!

Brian L

deaubry:

“ingred is just day dreaming, the church of jesus christ will not do such a thing as this, christians love the lord, their wives and husbands and their children too much to let this happen.”

While the Church of Jesus Christ would not let such things as this happening, I can definitely see some of the more modern, “relevant and innovational” churches doing this.  While I almost dread typing this, for fear that some church will adopt it and perform it, imagine the following:

INT: Inside of a modern church.  The church has just finished singing some sultry song by Barry White or some other sexual lyricist.  The flood lights come up on a church “drama” where a husband and wife lay in bed.  Both are clothed in pajamas and caressing each other. 

HUSBAND: Honey, how are you doing?  Shall we do (GRAPHICALLY DESCRIBED SEXUAL ACTIVITY A).

WIFE:  That sounds good.  You know, I’ve been thinking about (GRAPHICALLY DESCRIBED SEXUAL ACTIVITY B), too.

HUSBAND:  Oh, that sounds great.  You know, we’ve never tried (GRAPHICALLY DESCRIBED SEXUAL ACTIVITY C).  What do you think.

WIFE:  Oh, I’m not sure we can do that.  I think that the Bible forbids it.

After some conversation and insight from the pastor about how the marriage bed is undefiled, the couple, still dressed, get up in the mock position, covering themselves with the sheets, tossing clothes to make it look like they are undressing, and make otherwise obscene gyrations.

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Now, would you say this is appropriate for worshiping God in church?  For some strange reason, I get the felling that, NO, it isn’t.

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CS

Brian L.,

You wrote: However, I still question whether it should be done at the worship service where young people (esp. teens) might be present.

I struggle with that as well. Not so much with teens but with older kids. Whenever I plan on preaching on sexual themes, I give the sermon a PG13 rating so that parents can make the choice to send their kids to kids church.

As for teens, I think it is good for theme to hear about the goodness of sex in marriage. They are curious. They have questions. They know more than we think they do, so why not share with them to biblical truth about the goodness of sex?

Just my thoughts…

Derek

Peter,

I do agree they should here it at church.  But what about discussing it during the regular youth group meetings instead of the worship service?

My guess is that if the teens were told ahead of time that this was the topic, they may get a boost in attendance of those who need to hear it.

Again, not sure that it should NOT be done at a service, just wondering if it could be better done in a different “church” setting.

Brian L