It’s Election Day in Ohio… Who Should I Vote For?
- Posted by: Todd
- Posted on: Tue, March 04, 2008
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Let me hear from you. Again, just who you’re supporting and one reason why.
Todd
Well, it's Super Tuesday II, and election day here in Ohio. The candidates are down to four. And I'm still torn. Ohio is going to play big in the Democratic side of things. On the Republican side, I think it's pretty well determined. I don't want to get all political here, but... really... who are you voting for? Just a name and one reason why. Everyone is allowed one vote and no rebuttal to anyone else's post.
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Peter on Tue, March 04, 2008
Gotta chime in on this one. Listening to the plans for bigger, “better” government for the two Democrat frontrunners makes me really scared. We’re doing foster care right now. Ever tried to get a foster kid an appointment under Medicaid? It’s frustrating. Find a doctor who’s willing to put up with the government nonsense in the first place AND is willing to take new patients. Schedule an appointment (we are required to see a doctor within 30 days of placement). We often get told we can’t get an appointment for at least two months. The places we CAN get appointments are overworked and could care less about the patients because that’s been beaten out of them.
Also, who’s gonna pay for all of these wonderful new ways to make people dependent on the government? That would be people like me in the middle class. It sure won’t touch the rich. It definitely won’t touch the poor who already get “rebates” when they’ve paid no taxes. That pushes me further into the lower middle class.
And if anyone really thinks that Barak won’t be bending to pressure from the rich, he needs to wake up and get on board the clue train. He’s a politician who talks a great game, but he doesn’t have a plan. Listen to him and read what he’s said - there’s no plan there.
I agree that abortion isn’t the only issue. I’d vote for someone who supported abortion if they supported really following our Constitution, smaller government, etc. I may not like the fact that they support abortion, but there are other important causes.
Anyway, I just wanted to chime in. I’m pretty frustrated with “big government” programs right now - especially after seeing what happens to the poor kids who go through those programs. Add in states forcing religious charities to either change their policies or close shop, and I can do without more government interference. As I noted earlier, this is a pretty sorry group of candidates - none of whom really seem to care much beyond getting elected or understand the long-term consequences of the rhetoric they’re spouting. Barak talks a great game, but he scares me as the next president. “Bully pulpit for gay marriage”? “Penalties for not having health coverage”?
While I think it’s great that there’s such a huge demand to help people (at taxpayer expense of course), why aren’t we helping them to be all they can be instead of building systems that work best by keeping them where they are? Foster care again - we get paid more per day for children with more troubles. If we help them to improve, how do we get rewarded? Our pay is cut. What incentives do people have to leave welfare once they’re on it? What can they really do about it? We need to provide that helping hand to get people started, but then we need to grow them to produce and help other people rather than keep on taking. I believe Paul was even pretty clear on the idea that those who will not work should not eat. (Not those who can’t - that’s a different story.)
OK - rant off.
Mike on Tue, March 04, 2008
I’m not voting in Ohio’s primary today. I simply don’t feel like I have a dog in this fight. I will vote in the general election, and I will vote for McCain (assuming he is the Republican nominee, which seems inevitable). I see him as the lesser of two evils, regardless of who his opponent is.
I do have to wonder…this is the presidency of the United States we’re talking about. One would assume that we would want the best and the brightest for this position. Are you telling me that the remaining candidates are the best and brightest that we have? Yikes.
Peter on Tue, March 04, 2008
I think it’s safe to say that our best and brightest have absolutely no desire to be President.
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-Pete
Tony on Tue, March 04, 2008
Ron Paul. There really isn’t another candidate that I will/would vote for. He is pretty much ignored by the masses, which is totally fine, but I’m pretty sure that in the ‘underground’ he is still the man. If not in this election, then the next election will more than likely be determined by web technologies.
I’m not a fan of either of the dems. Barak talks a good game and he is inspirational and engaging. But like was mentioned above, I don’t think that he has a really solid plan. Although, I was watching a town hall from Ohio and he did provide some good answers, filled with a bunch of fluff that really said nothing, just like the rest of his campaign. Billary just needs to go away. I’m tired of hearing how many times she has had tea with prime ministers and how long she has worked for whatever cause she needs to soapbox that day.
Huck, I’d probably vote for him. I think he has a well thought out plan. Probably the biggest thing that he has going against him is his past vocation and his faith. The faith that Barak has isn’t even an issue, when it probably should be. People are gun shy for the religious right…although I do think that Huck would act with integrity and run this nation as one under God.
Who should you vote for? Montgomery Brewster!
Ryan Day on Tue, March 04, 2008
I did the protest vote thing too and voted for MITT ROMNEY. I originally supported him and decided to go ahead because I agree with most of his positions.
EJ on Tue, March 04, 2008
Mike,
I say this with no harsh tone, do you mean to tell me that Bush (and the other candidates) was the best and the brightest? Yikes. Some said “yes” when he (and others) first ran for office. Others said “no”.
EJ on Tue, March 04, 2008
I think “best and brightest” is relative. I think we generally lump people into that category who agree with us.
Craig on Tue, March 04, 2008
Huck -n- Chuck http://www.mondaymorninginsight.com/images/smileys/grin.gif
Daniel on Wed, March 05, 2008
Hey guys, it’s Barack, not Barak.
I’m just lookin’ forward to Busch being out of the office… ... ...
Jack in the box on Wed, March 05, 2008
Sonuva *****. Comparing fiscal policies to the killing of innocent babies??? Come on, are we followers of Jesus or not?
I’m a missionary kid from West Africa. The poor here in America are rich compared to anywhere else. Don’t believe that? Then maybe you should take a trip outside of Kansas, Dorothy. Are we called to help the poor? Yes. Are there truly many poor people in America? Absolutely not. Only a dumb*** ethnocentric American would think that.
God tells us to defend the helpless. If you call taking an innocent baby in the mother’s womb, cutting a hole in the back of its head and sucking out it’s brains through a vacuum the same thing as how the government makes policies in relation to the poor, you are one sick freak.
I think the problem with too many Christians of my generation, (I am 24) is that they are so freakin concerned about what’s trendy at the moment, that they are spineless victims to the current fads and fashions of the world, driven by the wind and tossed to and fro.
Can we overturn Roe v Wade? That is irrelevant. Did Bonhoeffer say, “I myself am probably not going to stop Hitler so I may as well not say anything or try to change the situation?”
Dang it Christians, who are called to be representatives of Jesus Christ, what the frick?
Rev_Shane on Wed, March 05, 2008
I voted Huckabee. For all moral reasons. As a Christian I could never vote for someone who was okay with killing inocent babies. Is it the only issue, NO… but it is one that keeps me from voting for a liberal or a “RINO” Republican in Name Only. Would Jesus be more concerned about the killing of millions of innocent children or helping feed a poor family. churches can help feed poor families but they cannot seem to stop society from the killing of unborn and helpless children. At least the poor people can do more than a defensless child to help themselves. They can get an education, a job, a handout. An unborn child can do NOTHING. Obama for change. If I have no arms but 2 legs and you cut my 2 legs off, something has changed but it wasn’t very good. I want change too. Lets stand up for what the bible says, lets gets rid of the IRS, lets protect our borders, lets have tougher sentances for criminals. Lets preach against sin more than being tolerant of it. NOW THAT IS CHANGE. I just want to cry when I hear “Christians” claiming they are voting for a leberal pro-choice candidate. I am not rich and I don’t care if my candidate wants to help rich people if they will stop the killing of innocent children. Why is it that these poverty victims have like 42 children and a cell phone and cable TV etc. I want to help people that are truley impoverished and are trying to actually better their lives not just get a handout so they can continue to live like the devil. Yes, I realize that not all are like that but a whole bunch of them are and I am all for helping those that really need help. but if they only want a hand out and don’t care to change their situation… well what can you do.
Justin Keller on Wed, March 05, 2008
Thank you “Jack in the box” for a little bit of global perspective. Are there lots of issues that I want to take into account when I fill my ballot? Yes. But not every issue is created equal. Abortion is murder. And Obama goes waaaaay beyond any other Democrat in denying the personhood of the weakest and most vulnerable among us. By now his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act has made its way around the blogosphere more than once, and the goods are available to show that it isn’t the “urban legend” some have charged it with being. It’s true that there are no perfect candidates, but part of discernment is being able to see which issues are most crucial and evaluate your options accordingly. McCain is the last man standing who will defend the right to be born. Clinton is pro-abortion rights, and pro many other things I disagree with. But she supported BAIPA. And although I will not vote for her, that makes her better than Obama in my mind.
Daniel on Wed, March 05, 2008
I’m unsure how to respond to Jack-in-the-box’s comments. I’m a missionary kid too. I’m 24 too. But I’m from France, and I supposed that makes me less of an expert on global poverty.
The problem of course is not ‘poverty’ per se. I can be a ‘poor’ Fransiscan monk who has all his needs met at my monastery. I can be ‘poor’ by worldly standards in Brazil, even though my income is more than enough to provide for myself in my local economy. So then the relevant issue is unnecessary suffering caused by lack of relative wealth, rather than fixed annual income, or what have you. Eliminating unnecessary suffering seems like a good thing to me…
And yes, the suffering of third trimester fetuses sucked out of the womb by “intact D&X;” is morally pressing, perhaps more so than other issues.
Simultaneously however, Christians follow a God who flexes his omnipotent muscles by dying on a cross for those who hate him. And yet our opposition to abortion is supposed to make us support politicians who view war and torture as instruments of policy? The either/or I experience at this point tells me that the system itself is problematic. The testimony of Scripture is that it is under the influence of Satan. The kingdoms of the world belong to ‘prince and power of the air’.
To assume then, that Christians have ‘obvious’ political choices in circumstances such as these, seems to me intensely problematic. Either I support consequentialists who think that I can follow God AND torture someone as long as they’re a ‘ticking time bomb’, or I support those who value comfort and hiding from the consequences of illegitimate sexual activity by killing unborn babies.
Remind me why anyone is enthused about any of this???
Jack in the Box on Wed, March 05, 2008
Daniel….
First, I am against torture and have written politicians and it’s I admire McCain who very much opposes it, in the midst of pansy Republicans.
Second, you and I will never agree on pacifism/just war. I believe your ideas stem from bad theology. Just as fundamentalists don’t emphasize God’s love and grace, so pacifistic Christians don’t emphasize God’s holiness and righteousness. (God does plan on sending some people to eternal torment in hell. I am not in the least happy about it, but it will happen.)
Third, I am not a democrat or republican, but keep in mind, it was JFK, a democrat, who got us into the last bloodbath, the Vietnam War.
Here’s the point I would like to make after getting that all out of the way…. How many people have been killed in the Iraq War since 2002? I will go with the most liberal estimate I can find of about 1 million. So for 5-6 years of fighting, 1 million deaths. Wars come and go. Politicians on both sides of the aisles initiate war.
Abortion, however, kills about 1.4 million babies a year in the US. Worldwide, it’s about 46 million a year. And it’s been going on legally all over the US since 1973. There is a far greater death toll by any measure in terms of abortion. There is little comparison.
And lastly, DON’T look for a politician you agree with 100% of the time. Keep the distress alive because it keeps you hungry for Jesus and His Kingdom. I don’t ever want to become fat, dumb, and happy with the here and now on earth. Well, too late for the fat and dumb part anyways.
Rev_Shane on Wed, March 05, 2008
Hey, Jack in the Box… I only wish I could put my thought in words like you just did. great point and I AMEN you. I don’t like war but I think I am suppose to protect my family against terrorist.
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