Mega-Church Pastor Starts “JamesDobsonDoesntSpeakforMe.com”
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- Posted on: Mon, June 30, 2008
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What does speak for me is David’s psalm celebrating how good and pleasant it is when we come together in unity;
Micah speaks for me in reminding us that the Lord requires us to act justly, to love mercy and to walk humbly with Him;
The prophet Isaiah speaks for me in his call for all to come and reason together and also to seek justice, encourage the oppressed and to defend the cause of the vulnerable;
The book of Nehemiah speaks for me in its example to work with our neighbors, not against them, to restore what was broken in our communities;
The book of Matthew speaks for me in saying to bless those that curse you and pray for those who persecute you;
The words of the apostle Paul speak for me in saying that words spoken and deeds done without love amount to nothing.
The apostle John speaks for me in reminding us of Jesus’ command to love one another. The world will know His disciples by that love.
These words speak for me. But when James Dobson attacks Barack Obama, James Dobson doesn’t speak for me.
You can view the website here...
I’d really love to hear what you think about this one. Do either of these guys speak for you? Should they? If so, which one?
Does Kirbyjon’s political activism in this instance make you a little nervous? If so, why doesn’t Dobson’s?
I’ve got a lot more questions than answers on this one…
Let me know what you think…
In an ironic move, President Bush's 'pastor' Kirbyjon Caldwell has started a pro-Obama website. According to JamesDobsonDoesntSpeakforMe.com, "Dr. James Dobson recently attacked Barack Obama for a 2006 speech that Obama gave on his Christian faith. Does he speak for you?" Here are some of their points on the main page of the website:
James Dobson doesn't speak for me.
He doesn't speak for me when he uses religion as a wedge to divide;
He doesn't speak for me when he speaks as the final arbiter on the meaning of the Bible;
James Dobson doesn't speak for me when he uses the beliefs of others as a line of attack;
He doesn't speak for me when he denigrates his neighbor's views when they don't line up with his;
He doesn't speak for me when he seeks to confine the values of my faith to two or three issues alone;
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Pastor Joseph on Mon, June 30, 2008
Thanks Jerry
Christopher on Tue, July 01, 2008
Excuse me, but how can anyone say they are pro-Jesus, for Jesus, follow only Jesus and not understand that we followers of Jesus are about the work of our Father… Building the Kingdom of God… and then try to say that’s not political? I whole-heartedly agree with the comments above, that we should not use “godliness” and differences in understanding to divide; that is ungodly. Instead, we should work together to create unity and benefit for all people.
bret on Tue, July 01, 2008
How does Kirbyjon, or any other Christian, justify the support of Obama, who has a long standing record of not just supporting abortion and partial birth abortion, but who also opposed the “Born Alive Infants Protection Act” -infanticide.
bret on Tue, July 01, 2008
Does Dobson lead a church?
bret on Tue, July 01, 2008
Does Kirbyjon lead a church…nuff said.
Pastor D on Tue, July 01, 2008
Pastor Joseph,
I am so exhausted by one dimensional leaders who are ‘anti-abortion’ but not ‘pro-life.’ How hypocritical are we when we take the juxtapositional stance with the NRA.
Abortion is about self-interest and murder, but so was President Bush’s decision to go take this country into Iraq - which I’d venture to guess you supported.
Pastor Joseph, and all of you who blow that horn, truth is truth, murder is murder and life is life. Stop switching sides!
Jerry A Maddock on Tue, July 01, 2008
Pastor D…Talk about a hypocrit, you have no idea of how the man feels about the war but you’ll justify your point by two wrongs make a right?
Pastor Joseph on Tue, July 01, 2008
Pastor D,
WOW, you are so quick to judge and assume, and even mis-interpret what I said. I am pro-life, pro-Jesus and pro-truth. To top it off, I didn’t support the war but carefully watched, observed and prayed for my president. I hope this is not how you (as a pastor) interprets the Bible or other people.
DA Purdy on Tue, July 01, 2008
1. I’m surprised AA’s posts are still up here. They are nothing but a bunch of links & spam.
2. I personally don’t see where he is coming from. He says a bunch of “He doesn’t speak for me whens…” then insults Dr Dobson for giving his opinion or makes suppositions about Dr Dobsons motivations or where his heart is. Very few, if any of the “He doesn’t speak for me’s” say anything about specific quotes or facts. As I look for the spiritual, moral, and experiential qualifications and their RESUME of what they have done for their country or community to show EXPERIENCE and QUALIFICATIONS for a job….(wordy, I know), I look for FACTS. Not things that can be debated or discussions of where a person’s heart is etc etc.
How many years EXPERIENCE does the candidate have for the most influential and powerful position in the world? How much time has he spent living in DC? How much foreign relations work has he done? What successes has he had in those respects? How many bills has he voted merely “present” on when it comes to our God-given liberties? Does he vote to take away my money or does he vote to let me keep it? A really BIG ONE: Which candidate does Taliban, Bin Ladin, and Al Qaeda encourage and support? Which candidate’s political activities of the past supports racism, bigotry, and socialist values?
To tell you the truth, I honestly thought this was a joke you guys had come up with similar to the Bill Gaither ring tones. It took me a while to actually believe that this guy is/was really truely serious and his web site is not s joke.
Ahem on Tue, July 01, 2008
I posted this URL a couple of days back when the Dobson story first got rolling.
It is nothing compared to the unholy alliance between the Republican party and evangelical* Christians. It is reminiscent of the swasticas on alters in Nazi Germany.
* The media doesn’t understand than all flavors of Christians, liberal or conservative, are commissioned to be evangelical.
DA Purdy on Tue, July 01, 2008
The media doesn’t understand than all flavors of Christians?? I’m not sure there is that kind of relationship. As a matter of fact, I think your comparison shows a strong misunderstanding of the awful things that happened then. There are only two parties, maybe three that an organization or individual can align themselves with, even if that person is only voting…not campaigning. Christians have no choice but to hold their nose and vote for a party that campaigns against their rights the least.
Pastor Steve on Wed, July 02, 2008
RE: Pastor’s Involvment in Politics in light of the upcoming July 4th holiday.
History:
“24 of 56 signers [of the declaration of independence]...held what today would be considered seminary or Bible school degrees. Clearly, for many Founders, religious issues were an important motivation behind their separation from Great Britain; but that motivation is largely ignored today.”*
My Solution:
Speak to the issues, hand out voter guides (states political candidates voting history and positions) and encourage people to vote their Christian Conscience. We are to submit to governing authorities. Those authorities request we be involved in the political process. It doesn’t say, “unless you are a Pastor”.
*context of quote
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=100
An obvious example of the secularization of history occurs each year around the Fourth of July. Americans are taught that “taxation without representation” was the reason America separated from Great Britain; yet “taxation without representation” was only reason number seventeen out of the twenty-seven reasons given in the Declaration of Independence - it was not even in the top half, yet it’s all that most ever hear. Never mentioned today are the numerous grievances condemning judicial activism - or those addressing moral or religious or other issues.
What religious issues? In 1762, the king vetoed the charter for America’s first missionary society; he also suppressed other religious freedoms and even prevented Americans from printing an English language Bible. How did Americans respond? They took action; and almost unknown today is the fact that Declaration signers such as Samuel Adams and Charles Carroll cited religious freedom as the reason they became involved in the American Revolution. And significantly, even though Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin (two of the least religious signers) are typically the only signers studied today, almost half of the signers of the Declaration (24 of 56) held what today would be considered seminary or Bible school degrees. Clearly, for many Founders, religious issues were an important motivation behind their separation from Great Britain; but that motivation is largely ignored today.
kc on Thu, July 03, 2008
Politics and religion never mix together.
Also, Dobson needs to stick with matters regarding the family. When Larry Burkett was living I use to love to listen to his radio show regarding finances, Burkett was great when stayed in that area. He lost me when he started to make a hermeneutical explanation of the book of Proverbs. Burkett got into an area he had no expertise, or gifts/calling.
Likewise, God has called and gifted Dobson in ministering to families. He is not called into the political arena. Of course, he can have an opinion but, of all people, he should know that when he speaks publicly anything he says will run rampant through the media.
By the way, CS: you are on to something with your extended url. Mine:
http://www.dobsonobamamccainclintonpatrobertsonglennbeckhollywoodandanyonelsewhothinkstheyknowitall.com.org.net
Keith Bond on Thu, July 03, 2008
I have to agree with some who have questioned why a godly man such as Rev. Caldwell would support a politician who supports abortion, homosexuality, etc.
I’m not perfect (news flash) but I hope as a pastor I have a sense of what sin is and isn’t. Why have so many of these well known pastors come out in their support of Obama. We know clearly where he stands on these issues. I gotta’ tell ya’ man this stuff really bothers me. IS it right to be divided over issues like the murder of the innocent? Do I have to agree to be righteous? I thought all I had to do was believe that JEsus is the Son of God and died for my sins. Where is the courage of these men to stand against sin?
Where is mine?
DA Purdy on Thu, July 03, 2008
Oh my! Thank you so much, Keith. Finally a voice of reason. This pastor claims Dobson ‘’desires to drive a wedge” between Christians using religion….um….if the wedge is one that consists of defending completely innocent babies, I’ll gladly take up that wedge myself and start drivin’!! This kind of an issue shows the true texture of those who are calling themselves Christian. Among many other issues, to vote against a bill that protects a child AFTER he/she is OUTSIDE of the womb! My goodness. This is a man who wants to represent MY Christian values?? Riiiiight.
I’ll say it again, this [likely] wealthy mega-church pastor’s web site’s first paragraph is filled with suppositions about Dobson’s motivations and heart rather than statements of FACT. Before it comes to the quotes of Obama and Dobson, it’s largely nothing BUT this.
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