Rick Warren vs. Rick Warren
- Posted by: Todd
- Posted on: Tue, April 14, 2009
- Viewed 356
- (11) comments so far
1. I’m glad I’m not Rick Warren.
2. I’m glad that my every word isn’t put on video tape.
3. I’m glad that I don’t have to deal with media.
4. Do I think Rick contradicted himself? Uh… yeah, if you look at the tape (and only the parts of the tape that everyone is looking at, which is what the media gives us). Whenever you have to say, “what I meant to say” about something that you’ve already had to say “what I meant to say” about, it’s not good.
5. Why the Larry King thing in the first place? Let’s face it, Rick took some good heat for his stance on Prop 8, and the whole inauguration prayer thing, but most of that controversy had passed. Rick’s Larry King Live statements about Prop 8 only re-ignited the fire, especially because of the apparent contradiction.
6. The problem was only made worse when Rick canceled appearances on the Mike Huckabee show and ABC’s Sunday news program because of exhaustion (caused in part by breathing the fumes from a refurbished pulpit that hadn’t yet dried).
7. I’m glad I’m not Rick Warren.
I like Rick. I think he’s a great guy and has done much for Christianity and for all of our churches. I fear though, that Rick is getting so much pressure to please everyone that it is nearly impossible for him to come across good in the media. Someone will always be ticked.
What are your thoughts?
Todd
I'm getting emails asking me to weigh in on the whole Rick Warren recent Prop 8 controversy. First... here's the big stink, cut down to 37 seconds:
OK... here are some of my thoughts...
Comments
if you want a Globally Recognized Avatar (the images next to your profile) get them here. Once you sign up, they will displayed on any website that supports them.
Brad Raby on Tue, April 14, 2009
I like Rick Warren too - and he has done much for the cause fo Christ, so I won’t ‘throw the baby out with the bathwater’ on this, BUT
What strikes me as perplexing is what seems to be a lack of counsel from his staff.
Surely he discussed what he was going to say before he went on Larry King - so wasn’t there someone who could say , Uh Rick you might want to consider the fact that you did support a ban on gay marriage?
I appreaciate how he has appealed to a broad spectrum over the years, but the spectrum might have gotten too big.
Brian L. on Tue, April 14, 2009
I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt by saying he probably made a slip of the tongue on Larry King. I know I’ve done it a few times, and someone has had to correct me by reminding me of something I had said earlier. Not very fun, let me tell you.
But RW’s way smarter than me and I don’t see him making that kind of mistake about something so huge.
I’m a huge Rick fan - this saddens me.
And Todd, I heartily agree with points 1 & 7 (about me, not you…http://www.mondaymorninginsight.com/images/smileys/smile.gif)
CS on Tue, April 14, 2009
Warren tried to please both the world and Christians at the same time, and it naturally bit him in the butt. He tries to be so liked in the secular media for the advancement of his goals like the PEACE Plan, but then compromises on his faith.
I can see why he canceled being on ABC on Easter Sunday.
—
CS
Russ on Tue, April 14, 2009
What do I think? I think we are going to be judged by the same yardstick that we apply to others (Mat 7:2)
Richard on Tue, April 14, 2009
What’s up with his eyebrows and hip, happening mega-pastor goatee? The color is disturbing.
Peter Hamm on Tue, April 14, 2009
I think he messed up (the second time, not the first time… when he supported prop 8).
But I hope you won’t all call me an apostate when I mess up.
He should probably say something, and clarify, even perhaps taking back something… but this doesn’t automatically make him evil (or more evil than some of you already think he is). He just messed up. Or perhaps he thinks what he said to his congregation on his web site was “private.”
Rick, you need a break, and I’ll give you one… I wish you had been more careful and wiser, and I was a bit disappointed, but mistakes happen.
You haven’t left your wife or the Lord or anything like that, have ya… So, I’m glad I’m not you, too. But I am kinda glad that you are you…
Brian L. on Tue, April 14, 2009
Here’s an interview with Rick with Christianity Today, and they ask him about this:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/aprilweb-only/114-31.0.html
Colin on Sun, April 26, 2009
Thanks for the CT link - it gives the link to the full transcript on Larry King’s site: here
The video clip has only part of his response - in the full response he mentions the newsletter. Here’s the text, I’ve put the clip text in bold.
Yes, you know, Larry, there was a story within a story that never got told. In the first place, I am not an anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist. I never have been, never will be.
During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never—never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.
The week before the—the vote, somebody in my church said, Pastor Rick, what—what do you think about this?
And I sent a note to my own members that said, I actually believe that marriage is—really should be defined, that that definition should be—say between a man and a woman.
Hopefully that will help you decide if the clip is fair or not.
Joni Gibson on Mon, April 27, 2009
Rick Warren is staying true to his Biblical convictions about marriage between a man and a woman. My experience with Rick Warren is that he loves the Lord, focuses on seeking the lost and stays true to the Word of God. And he is not afraid to speak on controversial matters as he stands on that truth. There can be discussions all day about what he could have, should have, would have said, but the fact is, this a spiritual battle.
ken on Mon, April 27, 2009
I also have supported RW over the years. Still do. But, he has now discovered what so many have found out over the years: don’t go near the “dark side” of politics and being a “voice” for evangelicals in America.
The “dark side” will lure a person into a dark abyss. Then, it will chew you up and spit you out and then go after the next victim.
Preach the word, my brother RW. There is enough persecution to go around for all of us who do that. The “dark side” will eat you up!
Wally on Tue, September 22, 2009
Ken,
When has Rick Warren been guilty of ‘preaching the Word’ ? I hear man-friendly, ear tickling, entertainmentettes when I hear him preach and read his works.
Did he once preach? Thanks.
Page 1 of 1 pages
Post a Comment