Daily Admonition: Don’t Fight Battles With People Who Don’t Like You
- Posted by: Todd
- Posted on: Mon, October 19, 2009
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Perry Noble shares an important truth that many of us should visit today: We don't fight battles with people that claim to be Christian but don't like us". Why... quite simple: That is not our calling.
Have you been criticized by someone who doesn't know you? Have you been cut down from someone who has never attended your church? How about another church in town that doesn't agree with your style of ministry? Don't take on that battle... it's not your calling.
Bottom line: We can't control what other people say about us. But we can control how closely we stick to our calling of preaching the gospel.
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What do you think?
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David Buckham on Fri, October 23, 2009
Oliver,
Benny Hinn and Perry Nobel are too different to apply the same logic. While you are at it throw Marlyn Manson in it…he has critics too. Or maybe Amy Grant as a more Christian person who has critics. Perry Nobel is a local preacher whereas Benny Hinn is a traveling evangelist.
The arguments and criticism against Perry Nobel have been largely methodological where as the issues that have been brought up against Benny Hinn have been theological.
In some circles you could make the stretch that bad theology leads to bad methods. But it comes down to audience as well. Perry Nobel is a localized preacher. His message does not direct affect my or your ministry for instance. Benny Hinn is a traveling evangelist. He comes to your area and it will affect your ministry as some from your church flock to him.
Just my thoughts.
all about Christ,
David Buckham
Todd on Fri, October 23, 2009
Oliver,
Here’s your response.
Back to Perry Noble. You said earlier that you think “he is lying his head off”.
Then later, when asked to leave MMI (by me), you replied “fine, I have gone away in the past, I always stop posting when asked,so this will be my last post.”
Note: since that comment, you have posted at least two new comments in this thread that I have subsequently deleted. Then, this morning you posted two more comments on this same thread.
That makes me want to say you are lying your head off.
Maybe that will be the main post on Monday: Oliver lies his head off.
OK… everyone say together on the count of 3: Goodbye Oliver.
1 - 2 - 3…
Todd
CS on Fri, October 23, 2009
David Buckham:
“Perry Nobel is a localized preacher. His message does not direct affect my or your ministry for instance. Benny Hinn is a traveling evangelist. He comes to your area and it will affect your ministry as some from your church flock to him.”
I think this point should be clarified. I have seen many, many pastors emulate Nobel, use his methodology, and adopt some of his mannerisms. Although he may be local, he has a widespread influence. So while your ministry may not be directly influenced by him, there is a latent effect on many other ministries that may interact with yours. Kind of like the how Saddleback, Willow Creek, or Granger do the same with their programs and such. Which is why I think we should be looking at and scrutinizing both the message and means.
Hinn, on the other hand, is a raving loon. Ten seconds of, “This Is Your Day,” and the most unchurched person around will realize that.
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CS
Fred on Sat, October 24, 2009
Looking at all of the love, peace and joy right in the face.
Jan on Sat, October 24, 2009
Just came back, Todd, to thank you for posting this. It was something I (and others I shared it with) needed to hear.
Yes (sigh) we have even more critics this week.
But Outlive, Outlove and Outfruit has stuck with me all week.
Thanks.
GR Guy on Mon, October 26, 2009
So does Outlive, Outlove, and Outfruit mean we should never get into a debate about truth? Or that we should only get into a debate with those who agree with us (kinda hard to do).
We should not be afraid to be criticized. In fact, I would go so far as to say that if we are not being criticized, we might not be doing as much as we should be as ambassadors for Christ. Yes, we should not lose our focus, but much of our mission will and should lead us into the battlefield of ideas.
I think the real point to be taken here is that we show respect to those who criticize us, not that we should avoid criticism.
Steve Cuss on Wed, October 28, 2009
“Outfruit your critics” - that’s a great word and I’ve learned quite a lot from Perry and RW and others like them, but I’m surprised to see Perry being defended so strongly here.
He often sets up his critics (and other local churches) as the straw man for him to tear down and I think its fair to question his casual talk of punching people in the throat, attacking a girl etc. Sure, he’s not being serious, and I’m not going to pretend he is, but he is sloppy in his language so if he really isn’t going to punch someone in the throat, then I wish he’d stop saying it for a laugh.
Reading his blog (which is often great) and hearing his podcast, Perry loves a good brawl with his critics, and loves to dog on neighboring churches, so it strikes me as disingenuous that he keeps talking about them and saying he ignores them.
In case you’re wondering, I respect the guy and was at Catalyst West when he spoke - great message. But I look forward to him growing out of this current shock jock phase, quite frankly. We have many great church leaders who face lots of criticism (Bell, Groeschel, Andy Stanley) and they all seem to handle their critics by truly ignoring them, not always talking about them!
JOB on Thu, December 10, 2009
It’s interesting to know, after the fact, the story behind the video, very interesting.
CS on Sun, December 20, 2009
JOB:
I agree. It was especially interesting reading the other side of the story here. We’ll have to see if/how Todd covers it.
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CS
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