6 Out of 7: Ed Young Gives His Score…
- Posted by: Todd
- Posted on: Tue, November 25, 2008
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Now… read the Internet Monk’s take on the whole thing here...
What are my thoughts? Hmm… thanks for asking…
1. On one hand, I’m not sure what the big deal is. Ed Young, who is known (or at least would like to be known) as innovative, really took this idea from the multitude of other pastors who have tried the same thing. Ed just slapped an new seven day ribbon on it.
2. On the other hand, I like the comment someone left on the blog wondering when Ed was going to do something like the “Seven days of leaving work early to go home and help make dinner, do the dishes, and cuddle” series.
3. While I think that the Internet Monk is a little over the top with some of his comments (it sounds like me when I wake up on the wrong side of the bed), I did appreciate this. It is true that this type of series may have a lot of married couples getting it on, but not so much for the singles, engaged, widows, and those having extremely complicated marriage problems.
The singles can look forward to it. The disabled can pray about it. The troubled marriages can argue about it. The engaged can almost do it. The widows and widowers can remember it.
4. Going along with my #1, I have no doubt that this would have been a non-story (or a much less diminished story) had it not been Ed Young. The church’s own press releases and media savyness no doubt increased the promotion around this series.
5. To me, knowing that Ed had sex 6 out of 7 days is just TMI. I don’t want to know that about anyone… sorry. I don’t keep track of that to tell others, and I’m hoping that others will refrain from telling me.
6. Do you know how hard it is to write on this subject without any double entendres? See what I mean?
OK… that’s all the thoughts I have right now. Not really profound, but thoughts, none the less.
Questions for you:
1. Would you ever do this 7 days series in your church?
2. If so, would you tell your people how many days you fulfilled the challenge?
I’m listening…
Todd
This is the last post ever (I promise) about the Ed Young 7 Day Sex Challenge. I wanted to wrap this up with a couple more interesting things that have surfaced the last couple of days. The first is Ed's follow up CNN Interview. Ed says he and Lisa were good for six of the seven days of the challenge. (Sorry, Ed... that's TMI [too much information] for me. Then, the InternetMonk Michael Spencer's railing response to the whole recent campaign at Fellowship Church. Here's the CNN video...
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Dave on Tue, November 25, 2008
Just as Young has found a new way to market an old idea. I see a new flood of marketing programs coming out. It used to be “40 Days of…..” Now we can expect a flood of “7 Days of….”
Leonard on Tue, November 25, 2008
I would not do this series in my church. I am not against Ed or any other church doing this series. I just wouldn’t do it. I also agree TMI for the6 out of 7. I think there is much more to do to help marriages than to help couples get busy.
Jason Allen on Tue, November 25, 2008
I’ve been thinking the same about #1. What in the world is the big deal? This series has happened in a bazillion churches in the last 2 years, just different packaging. And in many ways Fellowship is behind the curve on this one. Innovative?
I don’t think I’d do this series. Yes we should deal with issues like sex, we must. And maybe I can chalk it up to personality but there is no way I would tell people how many times I had sex in the last 7 days.
CS on Tue, November 25, 2008
Observations I noted in this interview:
-Number of times the name, “Jesus,” was used—Zero.
-Number of times the name, “God,” was used—One.
-Number of missed opportunities where Young Jr. could have related how sex is a gift from God and shared a Gospel message with the viewers—A Ton.
Honestly, what he said could have come from the mouth of Dr. Phil and no one would have known the difference. He spoke only of behavior modification and the way it could help the family, and nothing of the intent or purpose of sex in light of the purposes God has for it. This introduces neonomianism into churches by setting up check marks and points for doing what the pastor recommended.
It should be obvious, but to answer Todd’s questions, no way, and no how.
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CS
Cindy K on Tue, November 25, 2008
Amen, C.S.
Matt on Tue, November 25, 2008
This sex series? No way, I hoping to be the guy who is first with the next big relevant sermon series…
Brian L. on Tue, November 25, 2008
Should the church talk about sex? Absolutely. The Scriptures do (in case anyone missed 1 Corinthians 7…).
But in a worship service where there are not only those people mentioned by Internet Monk, but also impressionable teenagers whose hormones are already in overdrive? I don’t think so.
Save this for marrieds-only small groups, or personal marriage encouragement.
Brian L. on Tue, November 25, 2008
Yeah Sam,
We all know how Todd is more concerned with lining his pockets than in giving truth. We know because that’s all you ever have to say about him.
How about spending your time at sites that actually agree with your viewpoint instead of coming here to vilify and grumble about everything that doesn’t fit your particular mold?
In case you haven’t actually read Todd’s post, he has stated that he is NOT in agreement with how EY did things.
Eric Joppa on Tue, November 25, 2008
Normally I am all for innovation and thinking out of the box. But I find myself having some issues with this. I can remember when I was an intern at a church in the Sacramento are, and one of the pastors was a fan of Mark Driscoll. He listened to his podcasts and loved to take and adapt his stuff.
On a retreat, he shared with me a message that driscoll had preached in a series on the Song of Solomon (apparently he likes to teach from this text). He began to share how the book spoke of oral sex, and the explicit tones in the book. I still think I disagree with his exegesis of that text and even then, young and lacking the wisdom of age that I have now (if that is saying anything) I had a problem with this being taught in this way to an entire congregation.
At the time of the solomon series I was exposed to, I was engaged and didn’t need any help thinking about sex, oral or otherwise. I thought about how irresponsible it was.
Now, if this was a small group series, in a setting for MARRIED adults, I think it is phenomenal and could change a failing marriage. however, this was not the case. I cannot believe I am going to say this…I actually agree with Ingrid…(I just threw up a little) when she says that lounging around was foolish. It just doesn’t sit right with me.
Eric Joppa on Tue, November 25, 2008
Sam,
You are an…a brother in Christ that is not treating people as such. (the clean version)
Please stop commenting if you are just going to be argumentative and ignorant.
fishon on Tue, November 25, 2008
Looks like Ed forgot : “For when I am weak, then I am strong.”——-“I can do all thing through Christ who stengthens me.”
fishon
sam on Tue, November 25, 2008
Brian L,
the proof they say is in the pudding. Todd has little trouble villifying people like Ingrid at Slice or Ken Silva because they dont contribute to his salary.
But every day Todd seems to post the latest from Newspring, Lifechurch TV, etc. All of these megachurches that enable him to draw a salary from the backs of the local congregant so he can continue to pedal the latest church growth fad and at the same time villify those that dont agree with the CG nonsense. I mean how often do you see Todd quote people like Piper, MacArthur, Mark Dever, Chandler, and people like that.
Again, what did spurgeon say? Oh yes, “are you entertaining the goats or feeding the sheep?”
But sadly these churches built on the CG foundations have to continue to dance with the partner that brought them less they find the crowds going away and onto the next fad driven church down the road.
I apologize Brian L that i interrupted the echo style chamber that you seem to desire in a blog
Peter Hamm on Tue, November 25, 2008
Sam writes
[Todd has little trouble villifying people like Ingrid at Slice or Ken Silva because they dont contribute to his salary.] No, I think it’s because they distort what people say, mis-quote them, and mis-understand them. I don’t think Todd villifies them because they don’t pay his salary. I think that’s ridiculous and, as is par for the course with your posts, insulting and rude.
and…
[I apologize Brian L that i interrupted the echo style chamber that you seem to desire in a blog] No, we appreciate very MUCH diversity of opinion. CS is my favorite example. I rarely agree with CS, but we are able to converse respectfully. And you’re not really sorry, are you. I mean… come on, be honest…
“Do your best to live at peace with everybody.” sam, are you honestly practicing this?
Back on point, if we decided to do this series, I would strenuously object and disagree. If the rest of the staff felt committed, and I wasn’t, it would not be a deal-breaker and only the staff would know of my discomfort (unity anybody?).
If I was a SP, nope. It would never come up.
Nora on Tue, November 25, 2008
As others have stated, I really think that, while well-intentioned, issuing this challenge to the entire congregation was ill-advised. It is much better suited to a small group comprised only of married couples.
And Internet Monk made a great point which I think needs to be addressed: who wants their kids to know that they are taking on the 7 day challenge? I predict years of therapy for the children of this congregation. :o)
Sam, your comments are ill-founded and unChristian. Has it ever occurred to you that Todd may just disagree with John MacArthur, et al.? Or does everyone who disagrees with Johnny Mac have to be part of an end of times conspiracy to “discredit the truth”? If you want a MacArthur site, go to one.
CS on Tue, November 25, 2008
Peter Hamm:
“No, we appreciate very MUCH diversity of opinion. CS is my favorite example. I rarely agree with CS, but we are able to converse respectfully.”
Unless you’re being a doodie dum-dum head, of course. =)
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CS
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