Brian McLaren Wants You to Vote for Obama…
- Posted by: Todd
- Posted on: Wed, August 20, 2008
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Tyler on Thu, August 21, 2008
I shared some of my thoughts on this here:
http://manofdepravity.com/2008/08/18/warren-obama-mccain/
fishon on Thu, August 21, 2008
Daniel,
You are absolutely right. No documentation—other than the brother STILL lives in squalor and on a dollar a month, that is according to the story.
So I apologize for my slander towards Obama, and feel sorry for the brother who must have received $$$ from older brother, but has made the choice to still live in squalor and a most dangerous place to live.
Oops, I will get in trouble by someone else because I can not document that Obama did give his brother $$$$.
You know what Daniel, I don’t know if Obama did or did not give him money. I do know, according to the articles that he still lives in squalor and a dangerous place to live.
I hope you don’t hold me in to much contempt because I assumed that a very rich brother would some how convince a really down and out brother to allow him to help him live in a better standard of living.
fishon
Richard on Fri, August 22, 2008
Cheesy, or is it cheezy…whatever, the commercial is fromage.
Joe on Fri, August 22, 2008
Living here in the Bible belt, last election I had to endure sermons where a picture of Bush would be shown on the powerpoint, as the pastor of this large church spelled out Christian values, then a picture of Kerry would be shown as the preacher spelled out a list of anti-Christian values.
I think somewhere in proverbs there must be a passage that states when a conservative republican pastor endorses a candidate from the pulpit, it’s OK as long as they can stand off the IRS, but when a liberal democrat endorses a candidate as an individual, it’s a sin.
Give me a break. Personally, I think Obama ought to write off the “Christian” vote because “Christian” has become synonymous with “Republican.”
ron on Fri, August 22, 2008
ERR .....i feel dirty watching this video…..endorsements are not what pastors do….they point to mercy and greatness of God not man.
I can say i’m more than a little disappointed by all who were in this video….and yes, if Dobson or other prominent followers made an endorsement video for McCain i’d feel likely the same way.
Fascinating survey…
http://buildingchurchleaders.com/assessments/individuals/churchandpoliticsquiz.html
It’d be so much better if Jesus come!
Vince Kuipers on Fri, August 22, 2008
What a Joke, why am I not surprised as Brian McLaren is a False Teacher and I use would not go to him for political advice especially understanding how abhorrent and messed up his theology is.
Abortion is a major issue for me and Obama might as well support the “Nazi Party” in his support of the holocaust of unborn souls.
Timothy Wright on Mon, August 25, 2008
He will stand by your family! Of course if the wife or daughter in the family wants to kill her child in the womb, he will stand by while that happens. What a real man!!!
Rick White on Mon, August 25, 2008
I guess McLaren is the headline stealer…but Kirby Jon should not receive a pass on this one. Caldwell is probably more relevant to the future of the church going forward (I don’t hear too much from McLaren these days, except for the occasional book release).
Caldwell did the Leadership Summit a few years back and still holds audience with men in those circles. McLaren…well…I’m just not surprised by his sudden affliction of conviction in this matter. Perhaps someone ought to ask him about the atonement while he’s afflicted with such boldness? http://www.mondaymorninginsight.com/images/smileys/wink.gif
Kevin Evans on Mon, August 25, 2008
I could never support a candidate that endorses the murder of the most helpless people in society - the unborn. Talk about the actual content of Matthew 25??? Over 1,000,000 unborn boys and girls are aborted annually in the US. Does that not at least seem as significant as any other political issue?
David Buckham on Mon, August 25, 2008
This is just more of the same junk that has gone on in the past. You get a “Christian” leader (or maybe “leader”) to support you publicly so you can run for office. With the exception of Jefferson, I believe (and could be wrong) every President has claimed to be a Christian to some degree. So a pastor in the corner is a must.
It is sad that it has to be McLaren for Obama because I was under the impression that everything must change…
David
kerry collins on Mon, August 25, 2008
I do not agree.
KJC
Dennis on Mon, August 25, 2008
Birds of a feather—well, you know the rest. Vultures, no less.
Trent on Mon, August 25, 2008
I liked the ad, which may make me the only reader of this who did. There were three reasons given for not liking the ad.
#1. not the pastors job to endorse a candidate. I agree, usually. But I also agree that it is fair and appropriate and just for all people to speak to their convictions. But even if he hadn’t endorsed Obama he’d still be accused of giving closet Obama endorsement as Jim Wallis is accused.
#2. how can he be pro-family when he favours leaving abortion decriminalised. Hmmm, interesting here that neither candidate is seeking to criminalise abortions. Interesting that Obama wants to actually reduce the abortion rate. And further interesting in that there is no agreed starting point for personhood. The bible teaches that God forms us in our mothers’ womb, but never claims that personhood begins at conception.
#3. the story about the half-brother. Interesting. Is that the half-brother in the shack living on $1 a day or the half brother who’s an alcoholic muslim, or the half-brother who reported that Obama’s secretly Muslim and plans to enable Iran to attack Jerusalem?
Be Blessed,
David Buckham on Tue, August 26, 2008
Trent,
1.) I am curious if, in your view, there is a difference between speaking to your convictions and endorsing a candidate? It would seem to me that convictions vary and are many where as a candidate is singular and often has numerous convictions all their own. There is a difference between endorsing a candidate and endorsing a conviction. Clergy, Ministers, Pastors, we should endorse individual convictions, hopefully ones that are biblically based. We should never endorse individuals.
2.)I agree that everyone should take heed if someone says they are “pro-life” we need to ask if they are they willing to make abortion illegal again. Your question about “personhood” though intrigues me. What do you mean by personhood? I am assuming, which may not be wise, that you mean life. I believe declaring life status or personhood at any point before a child is born will open up another Pandora’s Box of legal battles and laws that will be passed to ridiculum. I have read in several places that Scripture teaches us that life is in the blood (Lev 17:11 if you want to look at it). If you want to argue for a scientific/Biblical hybrid definition of personhood or when life begins then it is about day 20, when we first have blood. For me, personally, life begins at conception and I do think life or personhood status should be given, fully understanding that it may get legally crazy, to babies that are yet to be born. By the way, that’s a conviction (something I believe in) that I endorse.
3.)If you are looking for Barak’s half brothers…I will only comment on the one I have looked into. That’s the $1 a month brother. Barak is big on family according to this ad by McLaren and Matthew 25 (you know, whatever you do unto the least of these brothers..). Read the article yourself at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html
I am curious about this but you failed to comment on my reason for not liking the ad. My reasoning is that it is just more of the same garbage that Republicans have pulled the past several elections.
David
Dave on Tue, August 26, 2008
I don’t have a problem with a person voicing their concern for a candidate or their support. We have freedom of speech, this country was built on that. Christians should be allowed to voice their concern one way or another. However, I am surprised and dismayed that a Christian would support such a candidate when you learn about him. Obama has a brother in Africa who only makes $2.00 a month and Obama has never spoken about him. Obama has questionable people around him as well such as Tony Rezko a convicted Slumlord, Bill Ayers, a non-repentant terrorist, and the likes of Rev.Wright and Farrakahn. Not including the fact that he did not support legislation in his own state {Infants Born Alive Act}. To me that is reason enough alone not to support this individual!
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