Charles Barkley: I’m Getting Real Tired of “Fake Christians”
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- Posted on: Wed, March 12, 2008
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FOR YOUR INPUT: So… what do you think? How do you get around Barkley’s view that Chrisitans
Former NBA basketball player Charles Barkley has an opinon about everything (don't we all)... AND he has political aspirations. But he, for some reason sees Republicans as 'fake Christians'; and really takes a slap at Christians, who he said are the most judgemental people in the world. Watch part of this interview, then let's discuss what we can do when leveled with a charge like Charles'...
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Mark on Sat, March 15, 2008
Leonard wrote:
“Actually Mark, if you read Matthew 7 carefully you will discover that the instruction is to start with yourself before moving on to your brother. First, (implying a second) Take the log out of your eye…THEN (here is the second) you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brothers eye.”
Actually, Leonard, please let us know when you are ready to declare that you have removed your log from your own eye. That is a claim I would enjoy watching you (or any other Christian) attempt to make and defend.
Leonard on Sat, March 15, 2008
Mark, can you honestly say that without violating what you said? In this context Jesus is not talking about perfection but rather not being hypocritical and judging other so as to place yourself above. Again he is not prohibiting the evaluation of right and wrong. Seems like you have had some Christians treat you poorly. For that I am sorry. I would love to hear about it.
Mark on Sat, March 15, 2008
Leonard wrote:
“Mark, can you honestly say that without violating what you said?”
Leonard, It all depends on whether you wish to understand God’s instructions for how we are to live or if you are more interested in playing fancy lawyer word games and desperately trying to convince others that you are the smartest person in the room.
Because God gave us free will, Its your choice to make.
Leonard wrote:
“Seems like you have had some Christians treat you poorly”
Only the fake ones, Leonard.
Real Christians are awesome people. There just aren’t that many around.
“… I would love to hear about it.”
I’m sure you would.
Leonard on Sat, March 15, 2008
Hey Mark,
I don’t want to be drawn into an argument… Again I am sorry for your hurt, and if you did want to share it you can e-mail me at [removed]
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I know so many real Christians I guess I am just fortunate.
Leonard
CS on Sat, March 15, 2008
Mark:
You notice that someone in your life is sinning. They are routinely engage in a lifestyle that is contrary to God’s Laws. Do you confront them with this information?
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CS
deaubry on Sat, March 15, 2008
i think the reason that charles thinks all christians are fakes, are because they do not agree with him on gay marriages, he was on the six oclock news on channel six, he told the sportscaster that he believed in same sex marrage, and he would never chage on the issue, he was talking about running for gov. of alabama in 2014, he had better stop that gay talk and calling christians fake, or there is no need for him to waste his money on tv time. i do not know if he is gay or not, but he sure does defend them. GO BAMA
Mark on Sat, March 15, 2008
CS wrote:
“You notice that someone in your life is sinning…Do you confront them?”
The last Christian who asked me this kind of question was on his forth wife. It was so funny to see him spend so much time worrying about the sins of others after he had been divorced three times.
Your job, CS, is to witness the good news of Jesus to that person. To all people. That’s it. Nothing else. Show them by your example how you live your life according to your best understanding of God’s laws. Do your best to answer any questions they have when asked. If you are already friends with this person then share your views as any friend would but if they are not interested in your opinion then you should mind your own business. But always be ready because one day they might not want your opinion but the very next day they might change their mind and want some help and guidance. Just as God came to Earth in the form of a little child instead of a fearsome warrior, do not force your Christianity upon anyone. That is not God’s way. It should not be your way either.
Mark on Sun, March 16, 2008
CS wrote:
“how do you deal with those verses that I provided?”
Oh and by the way…
CS, you also made reference to 1 Corinthians 6:3.
If you read all of Corinthians 6 you will notice that Paul is severely chastising the so-called Christians of Korinthos for being so petty and arrogant and self righteous that they have taken to suing each other in the secular courts.
The idea that Paul is screaming from the roof tops is that if so-called Christians would start acting like real Christians then they would stop judging and controlling each other and get along together without the need to sue each other in court. How can Christians show the world the way to peace if they can’t even manage to not fight amongst themselves? God has a way of asking really great questions.
I had the great pleasure of visiting the actual site of the ancient city of Korinthos a while back. Its just a short train ride from Athens. I recommend the trip to everyone. I would post photos here but I don’t believe this website allows that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinth
Jerry Hemmingson on Mon, March 17, 2008
It is not our job to judge in salvation issues, but it certainly is our job and duty to judge behavior. The one point that Mr. Barkley has both right and wrong is that we are to be a forgiving people. We are to forgive any sin that has been repented. We, however, are under no obligation to condone sinful behavior. In this country Mr. Barkley certainly has the right to be for abortion and gay marriage, and we certainly have the right to oppose the same. Which attitude prevails is a matter of education. Mr. Barkley can teach his point of view and we can teach ours. In the end Christ will judge who chose the better path.
(Matthew 18:6-7 NIV) “But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. {7} “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!”
I pray that God will always grant me the wisdom to repent of my sins and move the hearts of people that have not yet realized it isn’t the ‘fake Christians’ who judge them. It is the great God Almighty that they will give account to for their actions.
Mark on Mon, March 17, 2008
Jerry Hemmingson wrote:
“It is not our job to judge in salvation issues, but it certainly is our job and duty to judge behavior.”
I look forward to seeing the decay and the fade into obscurity of whatever fake religion that caused you to take such an outrageously arrogant point of view. Whatever religion you practice it certainly doesn’t have anything to do with Jesus. Good luck to you on the judgement day. I have a feeling you are going to need it.
Leonard Lee on Mon, March 17, 2008
Mark:
Mr. Pot I would like you to meet Mr. Kettle. Not sure you can see that you are doing what you so hate. You don’t know any of us but yet you feel compelled to judge. Oh well, have a nice day anyway. At least we are all Real Fakes together.
Steve Thompson on Mon, March 17, 2008
I don’t get it! Dos it not seem strange to anyone that Barkley makes such a strong judgmental comment about fake Christians (as he calls them) being so judgmental?
Mark on Tue, March 18, 2008
Are any of you expecting to be comfortable standing before God on the judgement day and claiming that because you didn’t like Charles Barkley or what he said thus you therefore reasoned that it was ok for you to ignore his warning against Christian judgementalism. I’m looking forward to watching that. Of course the other option is that you will never have to explain your self appointed judgemenatlism to God because you never make it to heaven. That probably won’t be as much fun to watch.
Be careful to listen to the message and don’t waste time worrying about who the messenger is. After all, who in their right mind would take spiritual advice from a simple carpenter.
Mark on Tue, March 18, 2008
Leonard wrote:
“Mr. Pot I would like you to meet Mr. Kettle. Not sure you can see that you are doing what you so hate”
Of course I am. I’m as full of sin as you. You need to understand that It doesn’t matter about the pot because your kettle is still black. You need to worry about cleaning your own kettle. You shouldn’t take my word for it either. All you need to do is go back to the Bible and read John 7 and 1 Corinthians 6 as CS suggested earlier in this conversation. Both of those stories are excellent examples of the disaster that ensues when religious people start judging each other and bickering amongst themselves. In 1 Corinthians 6 Paul even says that you should be ashamed of yourself.
When you stand before God on the judgement day you won’t be able to claim you were not warned.
Kevin on Wed, March 19, 2008
Mark,
How would you argue your way out of Matthew 18:10-20? 1 Timothy 1:18-20 where Paul judges Hymenaeus and Alexander and says he has, “handed them over to Satan?” Or countless other times that Paul passes judgment on people in the church who are sinning? How in the world can you say that Paul wants us to stop judging sin?
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