John MacArthur on Vulgarity and “Grunge Christianity”
- Posted by: Todd
- Posted on: Thu, March 01, 2007
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Johnny Mac talks mostly about Mark Driscoll in his article (that you can read in its fullness here)…
I love it when he says “Some of the things Driscoll talks freely and frequently about involve words and subject matter I would prefer not even to mention in public, so I am not going to quote or describe the objectionable parts.”
He then goes on to link to two people who DO quote Driscoll’s, “vulgar flippancy”.
Maybe the title of this post shoulda been “John MacArthur Endorses People Who Link to Vulgar Preachers”.
I’m not saying that John doesn’t make some good points. And I’m not sticking up for ‘cussing preachers’… but…
MacArthur continues: “When Paul spoke to that culture, he didn’t adopt Greek scatology to show off how hip he could be. He simply declared the truth of God’s Word to them in plain language. And not all of his pagan listeners were happy with that (v. 18). That’s to be expected. Jesus said, “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you” (John 15:18-19).”
So, which is it? Did Paul speak the words of the Greek culture (without swearing, of course) or did he use language that didn’t fit the culture and play it safe?
Just a question… I’m assuming here that ‘grunge’ people need Jesus. (I hope I’m correct). Who will better reach them? Mark Driscoll or John MacArthur?
Let’s take it a step further… who IS currently reaching them? Driscoll or MacArthur?
And about the “world hating you” part… I wonder if John has put himself in Mark’s shoes? Driscoll’s had a lot of ‘hate’ showered his way lately by both the Christian and non-Christian community in Seattle.
All I’m saying is… John, man… don’t make me choose. Why does it have to be an either/or? You work at the work God has given you; and let Mark reach the people God hasn’t gifted you in reaching. And if a word slips out here or there, and yet a few more people make it into the Kingdom, I can accept that.
After all, those [expletive deleted] people need Jesus too!
Just my 2 cents…
Todd
I'm nothing if not an instigator. Here's a quote from John MacArthur for you to chew on... "I frankly wonder how any Christian who takes the Bible at face value could ever think that in order to be “culturally relevant” Christians should participate in society’s growing infatuation with vulgarity. Didn’t vulgarity and culture used to be considered polar opposites?"...
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mlouie on Thu, August 09, 2007
It just occured to me that the comment Leonard made to me regarding—“Deuteronomy 25:11-12”—On his April 3, 2007 post… Does not apply to me (defending J.M.’s article).
Deut 25:11-12 reads:
“If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity. ————
I’m very sad to say that I’m neither a woman nor J.M.’s wife.———-8-)
Sorry I could not help this comment !!!!!! 8-)
—I think the verse Leonard quoted was way off. ———
I think we can agree that we’ll be laughing together in eternity.
mlouie
john hudson on Mon, February 11, 2008
JOhn Macarthur is arrogant, and lacks wisdom. I see no fruit of the Spirit in his life only his dry, man made use of the gifts God blessed him with to operate from his ego in an abrasive, self-fullfilling manner.
He is just a person, and one who needs to repent much!!!
cHRIS on Thu, October 30, 2008
Mark Driscoll’s behavoiur in the pulpit is innapropriate and vulgar and I would repeat that a thousand times over…
Don’t we get the message.!.what does the word Vulgar mean to us…
I’m serving the Lord with everything in me and if i’m going to sing His praises forever,singing Hallelujah to The Lord Almighty, just think where such vulgarity fit in….
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