What the @$&*? Ed Young Swears to Prove a Point: Don’t Swear
- Posted by: Todd
- Posted on: Tue, June 02, 2009
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1. I would ask Ed… Is it necessary to curse in an admonition to other pastors not to curse? Did he not do that to grab our attention? Is that not EXACTLY the SAME THING that he accuses pastors who curse of doing? I mean… what the hell? (There I did it… please don’t do that… it’s not necessary).
2. I find it somewhat ironic that Ed Young would get on pastors for doing something because it was ‘cool’. I think Ed is the epitome of ‘cool’. That’s kind of his reputation. No, it IS his reputation. Over the top cool. Something’s not right with that cool.
Don’t get me wrong, I think Ed’s ok. I just find it funny that one area he feels ‘very strongly about’ is that of language.
Anyone else find it ironic?
This should be fun. Watch this by Ed Young, Jr.
A couple of ironies here for me... really...
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JOB on Wed, June 03, 2009
Peter,
Since when does the church allow the culture to determine what words are acceptable or not?
I think that we would all agree 50 years ago the words that Ed used would be forbidden in the church and even in our mainstream culture also. Shouldn’t the church stand as a light to show the culture how it’s moved further away from what is good?
Jim on Wed, June 03, 2009
Ed is absolutely right. We are to be in the world, but not of it, and we are not to be conformed to this world. When we communicate as the world does, what makes us any different? Or, when we lie, steal, commiit adultry, covet riches, or commit any othe sin in front of the world, what do we have to offer them that is any different than what they already have, or demonstrate a life being lived any differently than the way they are already living?
This is not legalism, this is obedience to the call to be a Holy people.
Have forgotten that we are to be a holy people? Unfortunately, the way we communicate, or values, and our behavior, far too often looks more like the rest of the world than being an example ofGodliness.
Peter Hamm on Wed, June 03, 2009
JOB,
You’re missing my point I’m afraid. The S-word, for instance, has not always been considered foul by everybody. It’s a relatively new happening. In fact, it is the word that farmers use, without it being “dirty” or foul. I have heard compelling arguments that it is in fact the best translation of the word “skubalon” which Paul uses to say he considers everything “rubbish” (or, more accurately in the KJV, “dung”).
The word that offended my friend from New Zealand is a better example. It was a totally innocuous word, considered completely inoffensive to anybody… except a Kiwi.
It’s about the church being sensitive to culture, not being dictated by it.
pete wilson on Wed, June 03, 2009
Very ironic.
Leonard on Wed, June 03, 2009
Peter, I agree that there are words that in the culture of for example a farm that would not be considered swearing on a farm, but I know a lot of farmers who would consider the same word as swearing if it were in church.
I believe there are words that are swearing in america that will always be swearing in america when it comes to the pulpit… simply becasue my culture has no problem with it does not make it not a swear word. Simply because my culture has no problem with it does not mean there are not better words.
I think the reaction of surprise in secular people indicates that these words are somewhat taboo.
That said, I also am not sure of the use of some words that Ed gives us. I do not use swear words nor do I use sexual inuendo, double meanings, suggestive talk. I have however used phrases such as:
Undies in a wad… blow smoke up your skirt or trousers, I use the word sucks about once a year… I have said Jesus was so stinking smart…
These, in Ed’s video seemed like he was against, especially the word sucks.
I also watched the video that you linked to JOB. Still chewing on it but not sure I liked it too much. I did not disagree with the concept and even some of the truth, but still did not much care for it… Like I said, I am chewing on it and thanks for linking it.
JOB on Wed, June 03, 2009
Rusty,
“Culture absolutely determines which words are acceptable or not.”
Not for believers, the Bible determines that.
Peter,
I think, kind of, we’re on the same page. If we are sensitive to what is offensive we will be more careful as to what we say. I try my best to practice this, I do fail but by the grace of God, This is what Paul meant we he said I become all things to all men. Paul wouldn’t hold on to anything that would become a stumbling block to others.
Leonard,
I’m sorry you didn’t like it, I thought the preacher hit the nail on the head. I am glad you took the time to listen however, God Bless,
Mike on Wed, June 03, 2009
There is an important point being missed, perhaps the most important. The issue is not the word, but why the word is used. If it is in service of “chasing cool” then any word is profane. Ed does not address this. If he wants to chastise preachers for something, he should chastise them for trying to be cool, but he does not, perhaps because he must then chastise himself. I can imagine Jesus uttering almost anything, but I cannot imagine him “trying” to be something, least of all cool.
Richard on Wed, June 03, 2009
Profane: imho, “that said,” “all of a sudden,” “at the end of the day,” “irregardless,” “tweet,” “twitter.” Profanity is in the ear of the hearer?
Dave Z on Wed, June 03, 2009
JOB writes:
““Culture absolutely determines which words are acceptable or not.”
Not for believers, the Bible determines that.”
OK…someone show me the list in scripture. If you cannot show me where the Bible say exactly what words are acceptable, then you should refrain from making unsupportable assertions.
JOB on Wed, June 03, 2009
Dave,
Paul’s readers knew what words were inappropriate, he didn’t need to list them, we know what words are inappropriate, why does it scare so many that believers should watch their language? We want to curse that much?
Dave Z on Wed, June 03, 2009
I don’t curse at all. I just prefer arguments with some sort of basis. You said the Bible tells us what words are acceptable. Show me.
Are you saying Paul’s readers understood that they were not supposed to say “crap” or “sucks” or “pissed?” Or do you mean they had different words? Wait…are you saying the words are cultural, defined within different languages and customs?
Jamie on Wed, June 03, 2009
I’m thinking the words from a recent secular song might be instructive: “Shut up and drive!” I’m concerned he’s driving while trying to focus on this important point that also requires much of his attention and focus. Great eye contact with the camera though!
JOB on Wed, June 03, 2009
Dave,
The culture has made Jesus’ name into a curse word. The Bible is silent on that?
Dave Z on Wed, June 03, 2009
Oh, come now, JOB, is that really what you meant when you first posted?
Peter Hamm on Wed, June 03, 2009
Job,
FIrst off, you seem to be trying to subtly change the issue with each post. I’m not alone in finding that annoying.
No, there is no list of words you can’t say in the Bible.
Yes, taking the Lord’s name in vain is forbidden… and very very bad.
No, it’s not good to engage in any kind of “dirty” talk, regardless of the words used.
Yes, each culture has things that are profane in the culture, and the Christ-follower should be sensitive to that, perhaps more sensitive than the next person.
Again, back to my example. I used a TOTALLY normal word that is evidently totally acceptable in any conversation… except in New Zealand…
Another example of cultural norms… some words we have no problem with are taboo in the U.K., and yet they don’t bleep the f-word… (I’m not saying we should use that word, btw…)
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