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10 Evangelism and IT Lessons from Fellowship Church

Orginally published on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 9:42 AM
by Todd Rhoades

Robert Scoble wrote an interesting piece on evangelism from an IT/Technology point of view.  I found it very interesting… "How did Dallas’ Fellowship church become America’s fifth largest church in less than 15 years?  CTO Terry Storch has the answer: information technology investments designed to attract a new kind of churchgoer that other churches were ignoring.  Who said IT doesn’t matter? Certainly not the people running this church…

Every weekend 18,000 to 19,000 people walk through the doors. Thousands more watch on the church's TV or radio shows.

Brian Bailey, Internet technology manager, heard I was in town and invited me over to see the secrets behind this church's massive success. Hey, I'm a technology evangelist and I wanted to see how the professionals do it

Even before I got in, I could see this church was something different. The only thing visible on the side of one of their two huge buildings, from the freeway, is the church's URL. Even in Silicon Valley I haven't seen that approach taken on a church sign. Lesson one: make it easy for everyone to learn about you -- on their terms.

Coming in the doors I noticed something else: plasma screens everywhere. I felt like I was in a rock concert, or a sports event.

That's on purpose, Bailey told me. The church knows it's competing against video games, rock concerts, mass media like ESPN, and sporting events, he said.

When the church started, they decided to appeal to a new generation of chuch goers who feel uncomfortable in the traditional churches most of us attend. So, they invested in video, audio, computers, multimedia, and making the end-to-end church experience better than their competitors. "Our services are a lot like attending a concert," Bailey told me -- he handed me some DVDs so I could check it out for myself. Lesson two: make it easy to experience your product's special attributes.

You'll see this investment in all areas, from the time you walk into the church and are registered by one of the volunteers manning 50 computer stations. Plus, massive investments in audio, lighting, video technology -- this church has an all-digital sound system that is better than many rock shows have. Lesson three: to get word-of-mouth advertising you need to be remarkable.

If you are bringing kids, the volunteer will guide you to the right room (and, will print out a name tag and a receipt that guarantees that only you will be able to take a child out of the classroom).

They custom designed the system (yes, it's a multi-tier .NET app written in C# and backed by SQL Server) to be extremely efficient, even in a noisy attrium with thousands of people talking "we only need the last four digits of your phone number," Storch said. Why a phone number? They found that was easier to understand than asking someone to spell their name. The screens are touch-screen and a volunteer can be taught the basics in minutes. Funny enough, though it sounds like it treats visitors like a number, the end result is that each person gets paid attention to and has individual attention that they couldn't get in such a large church without IT investments. Lesson four: use IT to efficiently get close to your customers and take care of their needs.

The atrium, by the way, doesn't look like your traditional church. A baseball or football fan would feel right at home here. In the middle is circular information desk surrounded by eight plasma screens. "The minute the service starts we switch four of them to the service," Storch said. The rest of the time there's a set of information screens that play (different ones on each screen). All high-definition. Lesson five: if you want to be better, make sure you're better from the first minutes of someone's experience.

Speaking of HD, this church was the first in the world to film all of its services in high-definition TV format. They worked with Sony on their HDTV system and, Storch says they learned so much that now the church is consulted on HDTV projects around the world. Lesson six: if you want to be seen as bleeding edge, invest to be bleeding edge and do so throughout your company.

The church's store also uses plasma screens throughout the store to display information and to set the mood. Of course there's WiFi available in the attrium and other parts of the church (not in the main worship hall, though. "We haven't yet pushed the edge there," Storch admits, but says they are looking into it). He said they invested in WiFi because they wanted to give church members a way to hang out at the church during the week and be able to stay in touch with work and family. Lesson seven: extend the usefulness of your plant.

Other IT investments they've made? A sizeable fiber-optic network that was designed to take the HDTV video load, not to mention the church's Web traffic, and other needs (there's computers in nearly every room I toured, including the children's play areas). Plus, they designed the network for future growth -- the church is now working on building satellite campuses that will share video feeds. To do that, they needed to make sure their network would never go down and have a good backbone to allow for future growth. Every system has redundancy, too (there are two digital sound boards, for instance, in case one goes down). Imagine what would happen if the computer system went down on a Sunday with 5,000 people arriving for the next service and trying to get their kids into the right classroom. Lesson eight: design your systems so they never go down and can expand for future growth.

Several years ago, the church almost went with a database back end from Oracle, but switched to Microsoft several years ago because of Microsoft's special non-profit pricing, which saved the church tens of thousands of dollars, Storch said. Plus, they liked the quality, performance, and productivity that they got with Visual Studio and .NET. "We're extremely happy with Microsoft and .NET," Bailey said. How happy? Well, one of their staff members is 15-year-old James Reggio -- he's been programming for more than five years and is working on multimedia applications for the church's TV studio. Amazing kid. I asked him "so, are you the next Bill Gates?" Answer: he has bigger goals. He says that .NET lets him get a lot more done for the church than other programming environments.

While most of the computers at this church are running Windows, there are a couple of Macs (their radio show engineer was editing on a Mac when I was given a tour), most of the video is running on a Windows front end, but the back end is an SGI set of computers, along with a stack of computers running Linux that do the hard-core video rendering. "Why did you use Linux for that?" I asked. Storch answered that most the bleeding-edge video rendering apps were designed for Linux. Lesson nine: don't be religious about technology, choose what gets the job done best for the least amount of money and staff time.

By the way, now the church is selling their software that they wrote to run their church. Named Fellowship One, it looks to become as successful in helping churches run themselves as the church itself is. Lesson 10: when you become successful, bottle up what got you there and sell it to others.

I asked why he went with Windows for their network architecture (Exchange runs their email, Active Directory keeps track of domain, .NET apps do nearly everything from logging their cash, to signing volunteers in. Microsoft Great Plains and SBS keep track of the business). He said they choose Windows because most of their congregants know Windows, and there's a good pool of Windows developers and IT support people to help out too and because there's one company to deal with for support needs.

The next time someone tells me that IT doesn't matter, I'm gonna take them to church. After all, isn't that what an evangelist should do?"

This, of course, was written from a business/IT point of view... but what do you think?  Does this stuff really make a difference?  (I know there are many who say yes vigorously; and many who say no with the same passion).  If God provides the resources to make this happen, shouldn't we applaud it?


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  • Posted by

    Sounds pretty amazing.  Good use of technology to reach people with the gospel.  The Church should be on the leading edge of technology because our task is the most important in the world.  Why not use the best equipment to build the kingdom of God.  If the church is committed to doing ministry with a view towards excellence then maybe, just maybe we can keep highly gifted young people like James Reggio working for the kingdom rather than lose them to Microsoft or someone else.  People are going to use the gifts where they are appreciated, challenged, rewarded, and fulfilled.  If this isn’t in the church then we are missing something.

  • Posted by Bernie Dehler

    Author says:
    “By the way, now the church is selling their software that they wrote to run their church. Named Fellowship One, it looks to become as successful in helping churches run themselves as the church itself is. Lesson 10: when you become successful, bottle up what got you there and sell it to others.”

    Why sell it? Why not offer it for free?  Oh no, I guess then it would be a ministry… and we can’t have a church doing that… especially when there’s money to be made…

    ...Bernie
    http://www.FreeGoodNews.com

  • Posted by Matthew

    Did this article just describe other churches in the Dallas area as the competition?

    “When the church started, they decided to appeal to a new generation of chuch goers who feel uncomfortable in the traditional churches most of us attend. So, they invested in video, audio, computers, multimedia, and making the end-to-end church experience better than their competitors.” I’m hoping they mean ESPNzone, but this wording was very tricky.

    This whole article bugged me BIG TIME.  I’m hoping the church itself is a lot better than this article made it seem.

    Beef #1) The description of the church attendence as an “experience”.  This is not just this article that described it as such.  HEY!  The church of Jesus Christ is not Starbucks, or RainForestCafe, or American Doll, or LosVegas.  It is not a trip to the zoo with a gift shop at the end.  For more information, check out Gilmore and Pine’s Book, “The Experience Economy” and check out this GREAT article from CT from a couple of years ago.

    http://www.ctlibrary.com/le/2001/summer/1.28.html

    Beef #2) The glorification of the sociological and technological aspects, while COMPLETELY ignoring the supernatural.  And I quote: “How did Dallas’ Fellowship church become America’s fifth largest church in less than 15 years?  CTO Terry Storch has the answer: information technology investments designed to attract a new kind of churchgoer”

    God help us!  Is this what our sinful world needs?  Is this what Jesus died on a cross and rose from the dead to achieve?  IT?  And if this is why people are coming to your church, God help you. 

    You’ve got about 2-3 years (maybe less?) of being cutting/bleeding edge technology, then raise a BUNCH more money to keep up and keep the people coming.

    Beef #3) The previous poster also listed this; check out Lesson #10:  when you become successful, bottle up what got you there and sell it to others.

    YIKES!  Acts 8:18 “Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, 19 saying, “Give me this power also, so that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” 20 But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!

    So, to all those who want the “success” of a church, bottled up and sold, ““May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!”

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    God help us.  Deuteronomy 8:17-20 “Beware lest you say in your heart, ‘My power and the might of my hand (or the technology of my church) have gotten me this wealth.’ You shall remember the Lord your God, for it is he who gives you power to get wealth, ...”

    1 Cor 2:4-5 “My speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom (or with plasma screen TVs), but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.” The church that is built on technology builds a crowd/congregation whose faith rests in the wisdom of men.

  • Posted by

    Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater guys.  The article isn’t all bad, and there are things we can learn from it even though other parts are troublesome.

    Did you notice the comment introducing the last paragraph:

    “This, of course, was written from a business/IT point of view”

    These principles were written from a particular perspective and need to be filtered through that perspective.  The goal of Fellowship Church is not to bottle church “success” and sell it.  There is a cost involved in sharing their programs with other churches and there is no reason why they shouldn’t ask the churches to cover that cost for them.  Would it be better if they decided they couldn’t afford to share it with other churches and therefore the knowledge died with them.  How many books have you purchased from Christian scholars and pastors who have a ministry.  The same principle should apply here as well.  There is a cost involved in preparing and publishing a book.  This cost is passed on to those who buy the book.  If you have a problem with this church asking other churches to cover the cost of these programs then you shouldn’t be buying books from Christian leaders either.  That would be hypocritical I think.

    If I church is able to develop a tool for ministry that they can then share it with other churches I would fully expect to pay them for that tool.

  • Posted by

    Ahh...the naysayers amongst us again.  Folks, these articles are here for your seeing how others are spreading the Word. Take what you can use...but why do some of you feel that you need to find a flaw in all of them.  It makes no sense. Your comments make you appear to read these only for the opportunity to make the rest of us feel others have missed what you have. Again, If you have not been there nor seen how the tech. stuff really works, do not know the people and have not met the pastor(s) why cast a judgement. That’s small minded. As David noted why should Fellowship, which has spent the big dollars for this be expected to just give it away. The technology isn’t a ministry. It is a set of tools and tools aren’t free. You need to realize, if Fellowship had not done what they did to attract the previously unchurched it is not likely those people would have found another church. They weren’t looking for a church. I say, “May God continue to bless Ed Young and the staff, volunteers, and congregation!” By the way one of the great positives I see with Ed/Fellowship is how well they get along with and support other churches. If someone does it differently - fine.  But they support others and do share (including their knowledge of mistakes) so others might learn from them...which can be easier and, incidently, less expensive for other congregations than going it alone.

  • Posted by Matthew

    OK - let me try again.  The great thing about instant response is that it lets you communicate more clearer. =-)

    Am I blasting Ed Young and Fellowship?  No.  I have great respect for their church and have worked with Ed’s father and brother, Ben. 

    Am I looking for a flaw in the church? No.  You write “why do some of you feel that you need to find a flaw in all of them. It makes no sense.” I hope we would all say that every church has flaws, including our own. 

    Am I blasting the selling of tools to help churches? No. 

    I am troubled by the tone of the ARTICLE and the thinking that leads us to “technologically up-to-date + large crowds = successful ministry.” You can’t ignore that in this article.

    The article closed asking us for feedback. And I quote: “but what do you think?  Does this stuff really make a difference?  (I know there are many who say yes vigorously; and many who say no with the same passion).  If God provides the resources to make this happen, shouldn’t we applaud it?  Leave your comments (please?!)...”

    So, if I’m not applauding this, I’m a naysayer?  Jesus said “nay” quite often, as did the apostle Paul.  Is this small-minded?  I hope not. 

    I’ve critiqued this view of ministry from scripture.  Would someone please defend this view from a teaching in scripture?  Or an example within Scripture?  Is it indefensible?  Why is FastCompany or Drucker or Good2Great or TomPeters the way that we define a church’s success? 

    And, guys, I’m not the Unibomber.  I’m not opposed to technology (or if I am, I have a very strange way of showing it: blogging on the internet).  I work at a large church with two video campuses.  However, I refuse to have my ministry respected or graded as successful in terms of size, technology or methodological relevance.  That’s what the article was doing, and that’s wrong.

  • Posted by Terry Storch

    Discussions like this always blow me away. They often remind me of an arm-chair quarterback. Someone who sits in their lazy-boy who has never played the game of football and has all sorts of remarks and critiques of the players and coaches. Let me stress, I am not saying that anyone who is commenting on this post does not have good intentions, I just think that they are often misinformed, close minded, or even clueless.

    First guys, have you ever even thought that the article that you are reading and commenting on was posted by a NON-BELIVER? Did that ever even cross your mind?

    Second, did it ever cross your mind that the article was written by a non-beliver?

    And finally, did it ever cross your mind that the article was written by a non-beliver?

    Guys, its very easy to sit in our little Christian world, sipping our Christian tea with our Christian friends and miss what is really going on the world.

  • Posted by Dan David

    Technology is a tool but it can become an end in it self. Its easy to abuse. Remember guys and gals....garbage in is garbage out. If Ed Younge is sitting down to write his next sermon without a heart to heart check with Jesus...then the sermon like the article will ring like “ a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal “ Adjust your plasma screens video cameras and high tech on that!

  • Posted by

    Guys, it was a nice little article pointing out what one of us has tried and how it has turned out for them. i dont believe it was written to replace scripture in our lives or ministries, and by the way, why read something that way? by fellowship trying somthing edgy they have not invalidated your efforts, but they do have a chance at influencing 19000 people a weekend. i have been to fellowship about 6 times for a weekend service, you dont leave there questioning what they are serving up, its rock solid delivered in a way that is not an obsticle to their targetd audiance-which is not other churches members. again, its a nice little piece on what there using to have a shot at the pagan pool.

  • Posted by Robert Scoble

    Terry, absolutely. I’m not a church goer. I write about information technology and how it’s applied to the world. You know, computers and stuff.

    I reported on the technology of the church (thanks to Brian Bailey for inviting me) and I’ll leave the theological questions to others to decide.

    There’s no arguing with the results, though. Fifth largest church in the USA. 15 years old. So, Fellowship has passed nearly every other church in less than two decades.

    Obviously they are doing something right. Technology might explain it. Some of you might say that the message might explain it (but there are lots of churches out there delivering the same message, so I don’t agree with those that say that the message is what’s important here).

    I watched several of the DVDs that the church has produced. The DVDs made me want to go to church again.

    Why? Well, some of that had to do with the message. But, I think that’s only 10% of it (as I mentioned above nearly every Christian church in the world tries to deliver the same message). The rest was seeing just how great this church treats its members from the time they drive by on the freeway to when they come in and spend some time volunteering.

    And, yes, it was entertaining. The pastor, in one video, had a Ferrari on stage. I’d never seen a preacher like that before.

    The fact that the DVDs had super high production values also played into it (they were of equal quality to anything on MTV).

    But, this is one unbeliever’s view, through the lens of technology. I figured it’d be a different way to look at a church and its success.

  • Posted by Terry Storch

    Robert, thanks for chiming in. Your comments and insight are again confirmation that Fellowship is following our true vision given by God. Serving Seekers and Building Believers.

    Thanks again!

  • Posted by Richard Tallent

    Jesus believed in presentation. Though he had his disciples to whom he could speak directly, his messages for the thousands were still told in common Hebrew poetic forms, packaged into parables that the masses understood. While praising those who could believe without a sign, he still performed miracles where there was belief for it. He used the technology of the day to reach thousands at a time (using natural acoustics near the Sea of Galilea, for instance). He met their physical needs as well as their spiritual hunger.

    I liked Scoble’s article because, as an IT consultant, I can see the parallel to business without trying to reduce a church to just a business. And Robert is right: there are plenty of churches preaching the Gospel, they don’t all have 15,000 members.  And the competition isn’t other churches, it is everything else we find to fill our weekend with.

    But let’s keep the main thing. Technology and slick packaging enables us to do one thing and one thing only: to break down the misconceptions that people have about church and the barriers that keep them from attending; to meet their needs efficiently and bring them to a place where they can know our people and see the love of God in us. Techology without love is a sounding brass, but at the same time, love requires us to use whatever tools we can to reach people where they are.

  • Posted by rick

    i’d be interested to know how things have grown from nov ‘04 to august ‘05 - especially the possiblity of WIFI in the worship complex. i would think a sermon that’s available with hyperlinks to other info might be a plus. folks might be using pen/paper for shopping lists and stuff already, so it’s not about keeping them from straying mentally. just a thought as i read through smile

  • Posted by

    Time is short and the love of many waxes cold. Make use of what you have and leave the end results in God"s hands. Amen.

  • Posted by

    As a member of Fellowship Church for the past 5 years, I have actively served as a volunteer in the nursery, preschool, and First Time Visitor ministries.  I have had the privilege of watching the positive impact that the technology has had on the families that I serve and the friends/family that I have invited to church.  I have seen how God has reached these people through the “experience” of Fellowship Church.

    In 2005, Fellowship opened three satellite campuses, increased its church membership by more than 3,000 people and baptized over 2,000!!!  Two thousand people gave their lives to Christ and publicly proclaimed their salvation through baptism.  That is why Fellowship Church does what it does.

    If bleeding edge technology, plasma screens and high definition get the unbelievers through the doors of FC then so be it.  If WiFi and a secure children’s check-in system cause them to take a look around and see FC as “different,” I’m good with that too.  I have faith that God can handle it from there.

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