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An Old Penny and a Bag of Burritos

Orginally published on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 at 6:31 AM
by Todd Rhoades

In the book by Dave Ping and Anne Clippard titled “Quick to Listen Leaders” (from Group Publishing).  In the first chapter, Dave and Anne share a great story about their friend Pastor Steve Sjogren… After coming to Cincinnati, Steve spent nearly a year meeting face-to-face with over 2,000 people and inviting them to the first service of the new church he and his wife were planting. On the first Sunday, only twenty-seven people showed up.

Imagine how dispiriting it was to see less than 1.5 percent of the thousands he'd invited respond. But after a few years, things had changed dramatically. Over 4,000 more worshippers now joined the twenty-seven souls who'd attended that first service -- and more than 50 percent of these folks were new Christians! By the early 1990s people were traveling from around the world to come see how Steve and Janie had done it.

Once a part-time school bus driver and unpaid pastor, Steve was now leading one of the fastest growing churches in America. He had gone from preaching in one sparsely attended service, where you could almost hear crickets chirping in the background, to directing seven packed and rocking worship celebrations each weekend. The number of ushers showing people to their seats far surpassed what would have been the total attendance just a few years ago. You'd think Steve would be pretty content with all of this, but in fact, on the Monday morning this story begins, he was ready to quit.

A gentle voice in the back of his head seemed to be whispering, "What are you doing here, Steve?" Steve wondered what this was about. His ministry seemed to be going extremely well. more people were coming to Christ and being baptized every week. His writing was receiving international recognition. He was getting speaking invitations from churches all over the world. Lately, however, he found himself dreaming of quitting the ministry and doing almost anything else -- even selling used cars was starting to look good.

As he often does when he needs to think, Steve got in his old truck and went for a long drive. Spilling out the troubled contents of his heart to God, Steve expressed how inadequate he felt with the overwhelming needs people were bringing to him as a leader. It wasn't just the couple struggling with their marriages, the ministry team leaders who couldn't seem to get along, or the angry folks blaming him personally for policy decisions that impacted their lives. It was the combined pressure of all the needs of all the broken people who seemed to think he should have all the answers.

"God," Steve prayer, "I don't know what to say to all of them! I've tried to cast the vision you've given me, but let's be honest, Lord -- the people you're sending me are annoying! They just don't listen! And I'm sick of trying to get through to them!"

As Steve calmed down a little from what was for him a farily typical rant, he felt a painful and sobering thought percolating up from somewhere deep in his psirit. With a sigh of self-accusation, he uttered the words that were brewing inside: "Maybe I just don't have a pastor's heart."

All this soul-searching was making Steve a little hungry, so he pulled into a Taco Bell drive-through to get something to eat. In the silence between shouting his order into the microphone and picking up his food, God spoke to Steve. It wasn't an audible voice; it was a nearly imperceptible mental whisper.

"Steve," it said. "Open your door. I have a present for you."

Feeling a little silly, Steve stopped the car and opened his door. Ground into the pavement below was a scarred and tarnished penny. "Gee...thanks..." was the sarcastic thought that went through his head as he dug the practially worthless coin from the soft asphalt. But then God's quiet voice spoke again.

"In the worlds eyes, the people I'm sending you are like this penny. They're flawed, imperfect, and forgotten. Even churches don't see much value in wasting time on them. In some eyes, they may look shabby and worthless, but to me, they are just like you, Steve. They're precious beyond measure!"

Tears streaming down his face, Steve drove home with a penny, a bag of burritos, and a whole new understanding of the incredible value God places on the broken, bothersome, infuriating people we all are.

"It's a funny thing," Steve remarked several weeks after this happened. "Since that Monday morning, as I've been tempted to get angry or blow people off with a few brief words, I'll look down on the ground and find another penny. I now keep a whole stack of them on my desk to remind me of God's generous heart and of the special calling he's placed on my life. I still don't have many answers, but I'm trying hard to pay attention to people and show them God's love by giving them plenty of time to talk. I'm not that good at it yet, but I'm working on becoming a pastor who listens."

Quite a few Monday mornings have come and gone since Steve first told Dave this story. On many of them, though weekend church attendance now approaches 7,000, Steve still loses patience with people and feels like quitting the ministry. But now whenever Steve says, "This is it. I'm really quitting this time!" his wife, Janie, smiles, gives him a hug, and says, "Bring me a bag of burritos on your way home."

Feel like giving up?  Feel like quitting?  What will it take today to remind you of the great calling God has on your life?

I encourage you to pick up a copy of this new book... I'm really enjoying it so far.  Again, it's called "Quick to Listen Leaders".

Any comments?


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  • Posted by

    Thanks for your response Don R.  The trouble with black letters on white pages is that they often come across more “legalistic” than intended. While I’ll admit to frustration, I certainly am not speaking out of to anger.  My heart is much too heavy with the sights and sounds of God’s precious people groping around in darkness having to settle for pablum when God has loaded his table with nutritious food.  The pressures put on Pastor Steve, and others in the ministry, to “grow” a church reduces them to people more concerned with bottom lines rather than growth and depth of the soul.  I happen to be a Bible College teacher (and full-time pastor) who sees the ramifications of this first-hand. In a country where the resources are so readily available to have a deep walk with Jesus (books, tapes, music, Bibles, conferences, workshops, etc.) the average Christian barely takes the time to drink deeply from the Word of God, kneel at his feet in humble worship, and pray for the life-change that is necessary to be able to handle the rigors of life in the “valley of the shadow of death.” We simply cannot be settling for Christianity lite when there are hundreds of thousands living in peril of a silent tsunami that will sweep them to an eternity of separation from God.
    One final point, I would have preferred if Pastor Steve would have written that in the angst of his condition he turned to the Word of God through prayer and God led him to Luke 15:8-10 and the parable of the lost coin.  Same biblical principle, but it was born out of God’s inspiration rather than his experience which can be misunderstood as to be just as legitimate a way to hear from God.  Straining at gnats while swallowing camels, I hope no one thinks so.  Most believers fall far short of having the right leading and guidance in their lives because they can’t recognize the voice of the Spirit because they have limited knowledge in the Word and maybe even less experience in prayer.

  • Posted by

    My question is: would this story have been as encouraging to us if Steve were not a pastor of a 7,000 member church but a church of 70?  Are we encouraged b/c we hear the story and think that someday maybe I will finally have a successful church like that and my ministry will be validated by large numbers of people coming?  We give Steve an authority that approaches the Word of God b/c he is “successful.” If we had heard the same story from a pastor in a church next door w/ only 70 people there who are all loved and pastored as valuable in the eyes of God I wonder if we (I) would listen b/c we have accepted the lie that Steve is valuable b/c he is a pastor of a BIG church and others are not b/c their church is not growing. 

    I ask these questions b/c they describe my own heart.

  • Posted by Todd Rhoades

    Todd, chiming in, again.

    For the sake of saying it again… why does everything come down to large church/small church?  I took the moral of the story as ‘everyone’ (even difficult people) are important to God.  And small churches have just as many ‘difficult’ people per capita as large churches (believe me).

    I really took the story as an encouragement to ANYONE in ministry who feels like giving up or giving in.  Whether in a large church or a small church. 

    It seems like there are a lot of pastors who have a serious case of ‘large church envy’.

    If this story happened to the pastor next door who pastors 70 people, would it not be a good thing?  Or even a motivating thing that he was encouraged to continue on in the fight?

    Just my thoughts…

    Todd

  • Posted by

    Lest we forget, Steve had spoken of an incident that was of significance to him.  It’s quite likely that such an incident would not have ministered to pjle under any circumstances.  But let us also not forget that pjle and Steve, and probably all of us, are on different roads to a greater relationship with Jesus Christ.  And after all is said and done, isn’t it the relationship that matters, not the difficulty of the journey?

  • Posted by

    Someone sent me this posting yesterday when this piece came out.  I was surprised to read it.  I wasn’t aware that this story was in the new book.  I relate to the concerns that pjle expressed.  What he doesn’t know is that I am incredibly committed to scripture and prayer on a daily basis.  I soak up a good 10 chapters a day.  The mantra at our church has been for years, “Five chapters a day keeps the pastor away!”

    By the way, I will be leaving the large church in a couple of years to start over from scratch in Tampa with just my family.  I feel an invitation from God to move there and plant again on the east side of town.  It’s a little scary at age 50 to start over with no people.  We’ll see what happens.  Pray for me and Journey Church of Tampa.

  • Posted by

    Welcome aboard Steve. I certainly hope you didn’t feel any personal attack by my comments.  I was addressing the bigger picture.  Obviously I don’t know you and it would be horribly wrong of me to critique or criticize you having no such knowledge. The point is still the same. I have watched the drift in Christianity from the centrality of the word of God. I pastor a thriving church, with a PreK-8 school, full missions program, multiple staff etc, so I know somewhat of the burdens that come from this assignment. In a culture and generation that wants entertainment, cheesy stories and self-help sermons, it is difficult to stay the course. I hope that you’ll read my previous post to understand a little bit of my heart.  I’ll be praying for you and your family.  As a matter of fact, I’ll be down in the Tampa area next month.  If my trip takes me there on a Sunday, we’ll stop by for worship.  If just passing through, I’ll try to connect and at least pray with you for kingdom success in Tampa.

  • Posted by Todd Rhoades

    Thanks, Steve for adding your comments.  See, everyone… you never know who’ll be reading your comments.  It might even be who the story is about!  smile

    Todd

  • Posted by

    Wow!  This is the exact morning that I needed to read this article.  I’ve been out of “formal” ministry for a while now and have been feeling a calling to start something on my own.  The enemy has used my past failures to tell me to give up.  But I can’t.  There’s too many pennies out there that need saving.

  • Posted by Norman Lawrence

    As Pastor of a 130 average attendance church, this story is a real encouragement as well.  It seems like there are genuine “barriers” such as 150 and 200, but the Lord has reminded me to simply remain faithful to my calling.

    The Lord is the ultimate judge of “success”, and success to Him is that we are faithful… “Well done, thou good and faithful servant"…

  • Posted by RevJeff

    Hmmm, for about $2 I have an interesting sermon illustration…

    Priceless!

  • Posted by

    I loved Steve’s story and whatever someone else thinks is irrelevant because the incident was between Steve and God and it encouraged Steve when he needed it.

    I have a story of God sending me a message that I sometimes hesitate to tell because it sounds so goofy when I tell it.  A couple of years ago I was very discouraged, the church plant I was helping with was struggling and I wasn’t sure if I should stick with it or look for another place to serve.

    Getting on the freeway one afternoon a small piece of Styrofoam, about 3 inches by 3 inches, flew up and hit the antenna on my truck and stuck there.  I heard the little thump and looked over and there it was, stuck against my antenna.  I thought, “How odd, it’s perfectly balanced there”.  And then “Ahh, it’ll fall off in a second”.  Several turns and about 23 miles later the freeway turns to highway and there are traffic lights, and the styrofoam was still there.  During this time I kept looking over at it and was thinking maybe this was God’s way of telling me to hang in there, but I was also thinking that maybe it impacted so hard that the antenna had cut into it and it was really stuck on there.  Then I came to a red light and had to stop and I was thinking “OK, now I’ll see that it really is stuck and that it’s not God telling me anything”, and just as that thought entered my mind I came to a stop and the styrofoam fell from the antenna and fluttered to the ground. 

    Was it an odd coincidence of physics or God telling me to hang in there?  I believe it was God and it encouraged me and I hung in there and continued to serve.  And that’s all that really matters because the message wasn’t necessarily for anyone else.

    It’s not shallow theology, pjle, it’s not theology at all, it’s just someone struggling and getting encouragement from God.  Or perhaps just from an oddly timely coincidence.

  • Posted by millon

    Excellent info, I liked it.

  • Posted by TravelBaggo

    This page gets an interesting title, reminds me an article—thirteen equals one, which is one of the first articles at the beginning of my English study. The intro of this book seems attractive, the opening tells a dispiriting story, but the following is encouraging, nice.

  • Posted by Rathna

    Great story!!  Thanks for your encouraging words.I have bookmarked this wonderful story for my husband.Love all.

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