Shouldn’t McLaren have said something like ...

“I’ve been thinking lately, well pondering something I guess. I’ve been asking a lot of questions about Barack Obama and have been asking more questions. I lit some candles and then painted a big mural while I was pondering my thoughts. Then, as I sat back to observe the painting and take in the ambiance of the candles, I thought about thinking about the possibility of the thought of Mr Obama as the potential president and what that would look like, you know, potentially. Then I asked some of my close friends to think about and ponder what I’ve been thinking and pondering about ... and well, I’ve come to conclude that I don’t really want to conclude but in a round-about way I will conclude that Mr Obama might be a good president. But then again, I’m not really sure on that...”

That would be commercial I could listen to…

My comment was in fact what I thought of McLaren’s endorsement of Obama - pure crapola - just like everything else he stands for - or doesn’t stand for, for that matter.

Why would I want to listen to someone who doesn’t even know what he believes - or doesn’t believe - or wants to sit down and hold a conversation about how he believes what he’s not sure he believes or doesn’t?

You guys are kidding right....McLaren calls himself a pastor, he is called a pastor on this video.
Neither the religious right....nor the liberal left...should be endoring political candidates.
McLaren is doing what he has rightly railed against from the other side of politics.

Daniel,
You are absolutely right. No documentation--other than the brother STILL lives in squalor and on a dollar a month, that is according to the story.

So I apologize for my slander towards Obama, and feel sorry for the brother who must have received $$$ from older brother, but has made the choice to still live in squalor and a most dangerous place to live.

Oops, I will get in trouble by someone else because I can not document that Obama did give his brother $$$$.

You know what Daniel, I don’t know if Obama did or did not give him money. I do know, according to the articles that he still lives in squalor and a dangerous place to live.

I hope you don’t hold me in to much contempt because I assumed that a very rich brother would some how convince a really down and out brother to allow him to help him live in a better standard of living.
fishon

Living here in the Bible belt, last election I had to endure sermons where a picture of Bush would be shown on the powerpoint, as the pastor of this large church spelled out Christian values, then a picture of Kerry would be shown as the preacher spelled out a list of anti-Christian values.

I think somewhere in proverbs there must be a passage that states when a conservative republican pastor endorses a candidate from the pulpit, it’s OK as long as they can stand off the IRS, but when a liberal democrat endorses a candidate as an individual, it’s a sin.

Give me a break.  Personally, I think Obama ought to write off the “Christian” vote because “Christian” has become synonymous with “Republican.”

What a Joke, why am I not surprised as Brian McLaren is a False Teacher and I use would not go to him for political advice especially understanding how abhorrent and messed up his theology is.

Abortion is a major issue for me and Obama might as well support the “Nazi Party” in his support of the holocaust of unborn souls.

I guess McLaren is the headline stealer...but Kirby Jon should not receive a pass on this one.  Caldwell is probably more relevant to the future of the church going forward (I don’t hear too much from McLaren these days, except for the occasional book release).

Caldwell did the Leadership Summit a few years back and still holds audience with men in those circles.  McLaren...well...I’m just not surprised by his sudden affliction of conviction in this matter.  Perhaps someone ought to ask him about the atonement while he’s afflicted with such boldness? 

This is just more of the same junk that has gone on in the past.  You get a “Christian” leader (or maybe “leader") to support you publicly so you can run for office.  With the exception of Jefferson, I believe (and could be wrong) every President has claimed to be a Christian to some degree.  So a pastor in the corner is a must.

It is sad that it has to be McLaren for Obama because I was under the impression that everything must change…

David

Birds of a feather--well, you know the rest.  Vultures, no less.

Trent,

1.) I am curious if, in your view, there is a difference between speaking to your convictions and endorsing a candidate?  It would seem to me that convictions vary and are many where as a candidate is singular and often has numerous convictions all their own.  There is a difference between endorsing a candidate and endorsing a conviction.  Clergy, Ministers, Pastors, we should endorse individual convictions, hopefully ones that are biblically based.  We should never endorse individuals.

2.)I agree that everyone should take heed if someone says they are “pro-life” we need to ask if they are they willing to make abortion illegal again.  Your question about “personhood” though intrigues me.  What do you mean by personhood?  I am assuming, which may not be wise, that you mean life.  I believe declaring life status or personhood at any point before a child is born will open up another Pandora’s Box of legal battles and laws that will be passed to ridiculum.  I have read in several places that Scripture teaches us that life is in the blood (Lev 17:11 if you want to look at it).  If you want to argue for a scientific/Biblical hybrid definition of personhood or when life begins then it is about day 20, when we first have blood.  For me, personally, life begins at conception and I do think life or personhood status should be given, fully understanding that it may get legally crazy, to babies that are yet to be born.  By the way, that’s a conviction (something I believe in) that I endorse.

3.)If you are looking for Barak’s half brothers...I will only comment on the one I have looked into. That’s the $1 a month brother.  Barak is big on family according to this ad by McLaren and Matthew 25 (you know, whatever you do unto the least of these brothers..).  Read the article yourself at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html

I am curious about this but you failed to comment on my reason for not liking the ad.  My reasoning is that it is just more of the same garbage that Republicans have pulled the past several elections. 

David

I believe, concerning either candidate, that by voting for either one, you are breaking the heart of a holy God.

Scripture tells us that God has already appointed - and often anointed - those he has deemed to be rulers and leaders. And scripture never calls us to vote someone into any office of leadership - regardless if they are the “lesser of two evils” - which, in my opinion, is a slap in God’s face.

That’s exactly why I’m voting for Chuck Norris. Or as the Kids call him ... Whip Botty.

Here is the tag verse for Matthew25.org which paid for the ad and which McClaren subscribes to: “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

What about the least of those who were born after a failed abortion and were refused aid and died several hours later?  According to Obama’s voting record he upholds the right of a woman to rid herself of a baby that was delivered from a failed abortion and now independent of her body.  According to Obama her rights to let a born baby die supersedes the rights of an innocent child to live.  How does this square with matthew25.org’s mission statement? Does this mean they are unwittingly sacrificing Jesus again?

Article gives additional proof of obama’s knowledgable support of infanticide.

Life Lies
Barack Obama and Born-Alive.
By David Freddoso 8/17/08

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTBkYTYzZDNjNDgyMWJmMzMxYzljYjYxNmEwMTdhYWE=