HOME | CONTRIBUTE A STORY! | ABOUT MMI | CATEGORIES OF INTEREST | CONTACT ME

image

Building Your Church…From Another Church’s Hemorrhaging

Orginally published on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 7:48 AM
by Todd Rhoades

Sheep stealing.  Church hoppers.  Transfer growth.  In the church, we have all kinds of inside lingo for the way that churches grow. Many churches see a good amount of growth without really reaching anyone new in their community.  Many times, you’re either on the the giving end or the receiving end; people leave your church to find another church; still yet others flee the church across town and find refuge and community at your church…

Tim Woody shares a great lesson on his "Minister's Corner" blog about what we might call innocent transfer growth. Tim is the pastor of (ironically) "Caring First Church" in St. Joseph, MO.  Tim writes:

We've all seen it happen. A neighboring church is going through a crisis. It could be financial challenges, moral failure, theological conflict...you name it. When this occurs in another church, it's easy to smugly sit back, shake our heads, watch the hemorrhaging, speak a few religious condescending words about the pastor, and warmly consider the people who might be in your pews over the next few weeks who are attempting to escape the pain. Is it church growth? Yes...but at the expense of a bleeding church...

Several years ago, when I took the pastorate of CFC, I had quite a few individuals come to me, sharing with me how we were so fortunate to have been the recipients of a large number of people from another church in the area that went through a triple dose of pain...a church fire, moral failure, and theological challenges. It was told to me on various occasions that the people who "came over" from the other church were invited to come to CFC as a "safe place" from the pain. These conversations were marked by grieving, disparaging looks, and frankly, some biting criticism of the other church's leadership. Since I had heard this from several individuals, including staff members, I felt quite confident that it was a fairly accurate story...but I never could place the church that had lost the people, because they had since changed their name.

As time went by, I began getting to know the other pastors in town through our Pastor's Prayer Alliance. One morning, as we were meeting at one of the local churches, the Senior Pastor began sharing his story of what his church had gone through. Immediately, I knew it! THAT was the church. THIS GUY was the pastor. I had HIS SHEEP in my church.

I felt conflict in my heart as I began to piece together the stories I had heard, his story and my emotions. I thought, "now that I know who HE is, do I just ignore it and move on...basically thinking, his loss, my gain?" I couldn't. God wouldn't let me.

I did something very scary after he shared his story. When the floor opened up for prayer, I was one of the first to go to the microphone. I stood there in front of my "senior pastor peers" and began to publicly repent for allowing my church to savor the pain and reap the benefits of my brother's hemorrhaging church. We cried. We embraced. We became friends.

He sat down with me and began asking about family after family, couple after couple, wondering how they were doing. I updated him on his people and pledged to him that I would never entertain another negative story about his church. In fact, it was at that point when I made a new commitment to my congregation: "I will not entertain nor will I participate in any gossip about another church or pastor."

That day, I was set free. That day, my church broke through into a new spiritual realm. That day, the wound on my pastor friend received some much needed healing. That day, I believe, heaven rejoiced and God poured a little more blessing on Saint Joseph, Missouri.

Wow, Tim... that's a great lesson for all of us.  In the Kingdom of God there should be no winners or losers; no 'their loss is our gain' attitude.  Yet in many towns and cities across our country, we've set up our churches as competition to one another; and actually sometimes rejoice when another body suffers.  Each of us has the power to make sure this doesn't happen with our church.  Make the choice to be a positive influence, not just in your church, but in your community for Christ.

FOR DISCUSSION:  How has this story impacted you?  Have you been on the giving or the receiving end of the transfer growth scenario?  How has God worked on your heart and your church through situations like this?


This post has been viewed 602 times so far.


 TRACKBACKS: (0) There are 32 Comments:

  • Posted by

    From number of responses it appears this “church hopping” is a major concern. I have a different twist to this story.  As an administrator of a Christian School, we started to receive numerous inquiries and conversations from families of a neighboring Christian school seeking to leave that school.  After several inquiries, I wanted the other administrator (whom I knew only by name) what was happening.  I called him.  He poured out his heart to me and thanked me that I would care enough to find out from him what was occurring.  After talking to him, I encouraged some of these families to reconsider there decision to uproot their precious sons and daughters and remain with the school until the storm passes.  Some families did stay at the school.  Some still came to our school seeing that we cared.  Others left and went to a third school down the street.  About a year later this happened to our school.  I did not receive any phone calls or communication from the third school down the street.  In matter of fact, I learned they were aggressively trying to recruit some of our families.  Unfortunately, it both situations the focus was on money not on what was best for children.

  • Posted by

    I have been at my my current pastorate for almost two years. I think it is great for us as pastors to not join in the gossip or the verbal detruction of another church or pastor. But, our role as pastor goes further. I believe the Holy Spirit puts together local churches as microcosmic bodies of Christ in their community. As such I have no business listening to the gripes about another church, what is more I have no business accepting disgrunteled or wounded members from another church. If each church is a microcosmic body of Christ, I have no right to another body’s hand or foot. It is my duty, and I believe the duty of every pastor to advise transfering members to first go and attempt to work through the church’s problems lending their prayer and spiritual gifts to the cause. Only if they are convinced their church has become apostate, should we ever consider robbing another church of a body part. The church is not a human institution open to transfers at a whim. It is a living organisim, the present day incarnation of Christ on Earth. We as pastors need to recognize this and once and for all stop the revolving doors at all our churches.
    There is plenty of great-comission fruit for all of us to have healthy, life transforming, growing congregations.

  • Posted by

    Hopefully a church is where hurting people can be loved, experience God’s forgiveness, acceptance, hope, grace and mercy.  Then a minister is hired who decides to make his mark and forgets the work that’s laid the foundation.  Couple this with a new group arriving from two previous church splits and this church splits.  Rather than fight, the founders quietly leave them with a mortgage free building and start again with nothing and with the same basic constitution, goals and most of the first members only to have another pastor decide to change everything again nine years later, destroying the original vision once again.  The fruit: lies, conflict, disunity, name calling and ostracization.  The hate, grief, damage to S.S. teachers caused all the elders, trustees, and many other positions to flee.  They are labeled troublemakers because in the desire not to gossip, harm the body of Christ, or say things that could be further twisted, they remain silent.  The minister refused to reconcile when confronted.  Jesus was missing in action but the Pharisees were alive and well. The idea of “my way or the highway” loomed ever present.  In the pursuit of more numbers, bigger programs, etc., the once respected leaders now had to go.  It is difficult to watch a work ripped away for the glory of a spiritual leader who wants to stand where Jesus is supposed to be.

    When leaders get new people from another church, it gives them the shot in the arm to refuse accountability from the existing leadership as there is now a new audience to play to and since they are unaware of the past mischief there are new ones to replace the old ones who leave damaged and broken.  Instead of seeking the lost sheep, the mature ones are being driven like cattle out the door because they dared stand in the gate protecting innocent lambs from the one who wore a collar and it wasn’t on the sheep dog. They worked, gave their money, time and energy to have it taken down by the one who was hired to protect them.  No wonder Jesus spoke harshly and took a whip to those in the temple.

  • Posted by

    “As such I have no business listening to the gripes about another church, what is more I have no business accepting disgrunteled or wounded members from another church.”

    Uhh...if any church has this attitude, it’s probably not a good place for the hurting anyway.

    “If each church is a microcosmic body of Christ, I have no right to another body’s hand or foot.”

    I thought it was Christians that were the body of Christ, not the organizations that we call “churches”.  What you are saying here sounds like:  If my left foot is hurting, I’d better go tell my left arm. My right arm (or any other part of my body) should have nothing to do with that hurting member.”

    Or is it just me that thinks that *any* Christian should be ready, able and competent to counsel *ANY* hurting brother or sister?

  • Posted by

    Sometimes one has to isolate from those who harm us.  One who is arrogant and demeans others from their superior attitude will mistreat those they lord it over.  It is sad if other Christians refuse to receive those wounded fleeing sheep as part of their fellowship.  I thought God configured His church...not powerful leaders who seek to be gatekeepers.

  • Posted by

    Sheep stealing or chased from the pasture?  The question is why do good Christians let bad Christians do bad things to others WITHIN the church?  Then when they are driven out by the minister or other powerful leaders because they dare to speak the truth, do the others pretend nothing is wrong?  When many people leave a church, the ones left should question it but they don’t.  The first are labeled as troublemakers and that settles it.  God tells us in His word to go after the lost sheep but instead many shepherds drive the
    founding families out so they can have the program they want…building on the works of those early laborers, they STEAL the church and make it theirs.  A good book to encourage you if you have been wounded is “Bring ‘em Back Alive” by Dave Burchett.  He tells us that if we really care as Christ taught us to, we will seek the lost and wounded sheep…they are not always unbelievers…sometimes they were part of the body that wasn’t considered useful anymore.  Unfortunately Barna says there are about 70 million unchurched and ten million of those unchurched souls are wounded and abandoned Christians. (George Barna, “Unchurched People”, http://www.barna.org, 2000)

  • Posted by

    I am a Pastor of a new start ( 16 months now). The work has had very little transfer growth. The doors opened with 14 and now average 65. I made an intentional effort to avoid transfer growth. If someone wanted to join. I would meet with them to et the full picture - why they were leaving their church. If they expressed that it was becasue of a problem then I would tell them they needed to speak with their Pastor and try to work out the issue. If afterwards they felt that they still needed to leave, I would encourage them to really seek where it was God was leading them. It has been tempting to say “come on in”, especially being a small/new work, but i really feel that God has honored this process.

    With that being said, recently we have had numerous people coming from another church that I was formerly on staff. I am happy to see them but at the same time feel weird about them coming, knowing that the other church is hurting. These people stress that they were leaving that work - that God has impressed upon them that their time at that church was done.

    I have tried to speak with the other Pastor but he blamed me for the trouble they are having, he said that it has been bad since I left 2 years ago. He is unwilling to have a “conversation”.

    What do I do?

  • Page 2 of 2 pages

     <  1 2
Post Your Comments:

Name:

Email:

Location:

URL:

Live Comment Preview:

Remember my personal information

Notify me of follow-up comments?

Please enter the word you see in the image below: