Jesus healing on the Sabbath isn’t relevant to marraige and divorce. If you’re going to go that route then you’ll cancel out the law of Moses and the ministry of Jesus Christ.

You must keep in mind, Jesus upheld the law not broke it…
Jesus being the Son of God cannot break covenants, (He cannot go back on His Word.) Marraige is a covenant between two individuals before God.

Yes, repentence for any sin is to be sought by Christians. Who are we to judge or say who did or who didn’t repent?

on marraige counseling:
How many pastors are trained in marraige counseling, anger management and family abuse?

I believe its essential for pastors to be properly trained in these area.

divorce is a excuse out in many cases. Jesus nor the Apostles never advocated divorce…
Paul encourages everybody to work out their soul salvation. what this means, is for everybody to work out their personal differences between one another.

marraige according to the teachings of God’s Word is marraige for life. In Christian marraige a man and a women are joined to each other as a Christian is joined to the Lord Jesus Christ, and the relationship in each case is permanent-the one for this life, the other for this life and for eternity.

marraige is of God; and hence, men are not to destroy it. The union that makes a man adn a women one flesh is to be permanent throughout both of their lives.

The biblical standard is clearly chasity before marraige and fidelity afterwards.

lets examine what Jesus was talking about when he used the word “adultery.” (Matthew 19) Jesus was teaching that the only justifiable grounds for divorce was impurity in the women discovered on the first night of the marraige (in which case there would be deceit involved in the contract) and even in this case, although the man had the right to an immediate divorce under the standards of the Mosaic law, God’s perfect will would always be for a continuation of the marraige.

In the midst of my divorce, God lead me to review what His Word says about the subject.  I found a VERY interesting passage in Jeremiah 3.  God is brokenhearted over losing Israel’s love and in verse 8 says this: “I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery.”

I sensed that God comforted me with the knowledge that the reason “God hates divorce” is because He Himself is a divorcee.

Pastor Bill,
you’re walking on thin ice adding to the Word of God. We can’t read into it but read from it. That is, we can’t put our personal views and thoughts on what God has already said in His Word. The Bible is complete… God tells us to love our wives even as He loves the church. This love is not based upon personal emotions or circumstances. Christ loves the church even in our adulterous ways. divorce is a cop-out and should be avoided.

The people in Moses and Jesus days were looking for reasons to get a divorce. And Jesus set the record straight. The only time a man could divorce his wife is when she has lied about her virginity. (That’s on the wedding night...) everything thereafter is to death do us part…

my question to you pastor Bill,
were you a virgin when you married your first wife, I know you weren’t when you married your second wife? If you answered no to my question, then according to Biblical customs, you committed adultery as well by not being a virgin....

Divorce is not an option....
we are to have that agape love towards our spouse...Love when love doesn’t love you back. Love in spite of…

So ministerkareem…

First, the idea that this passage ONLY refers to a man discovering on the wedding night that his wife is not a virgin is most certainly an interpretation, since those words are not there, neither in the English nor the Greek.

I’m curious. If a woman comes into your office with a black eye and broken nose are you going to suggest she go home and work it out? Practically speaking?

And do you really believe that Jesus came to fulfill the law by instituting the kind of legalism that you are suggesting?

kareem

[We have to keep in mind the custom and times when the text was written. We cannot take the text apart from the custom and times in which it was written.] I could NOT agree more, although I still feel that porneia in this context is defined too narrowly in your interpretation.

[There’s two sides to every story and every fight...] Oh yes, there is, you are so right. I still would want to act to protect a person first. perhaps get them out of the house till we can figure out if she is in some danger. Domestic violence is a horrible thing. To send the woman with the black eye straight home may not be wise however.

[I highly recommend couples who’s marriages are on the rocks to seek Christian Counseling by an trained professional…] I agree without reservation. I would even INSIST upon it!

Here’s what’s killing me…

The issue in the article, is divorce in the ministry, and it has turned into divorce in general in the comments.  I said before, and will again that the Weeks/Bynum situation is unusal (although his recent comments make me want to take him into a praking lot), but the Whites is, IMHO, virtually unforgivable.  It’s not that they got (or are getting) a divorce - I’ll come to that issue in a moment - it’s their reasoning for the divorce. (Pphr.) “Two lives going in different directions.” For ministers that simply means, to me, that their minstires are going in different directions; and that of course means that one or both should stop.  (But i’ve said all this before.)

What I want to talk about today is the “What did Jesus really say was an OK situation for divorce?” issue.

It breaks my heart that this issue has so divided the church.  A friend of mine was denied a license to preach in the COG because he was divorced (nevermind that the reason he was divorced was because his wife had an affair with her boss and left her husband and two children).  There are other stories but I want to get to my primary point.

Let’s look at the Word itself:

MT 19:3
Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

So, here are the Pharisees coming in to test Jesus and call Him out for teaching things that are allegedly contradictory to the law.  The “any and every reason” references a Talmudic teaching that basically said a man could divorce his wife for just about anything from adultery to bad cooking.

MT. 19:4-6
“Haven’t you read,” he[Jesus] replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”

A brilliant diss on Jesus’ part.  First of all you ask the Pharisees if they have ever read the Torah and then you lay the groundwork for your entire argument.

MT 19:7
“Why then,” they [Phari.] asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

An appeal to the law.  This is important because they are trying to establish justification by obedience to the law.

NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT VERSES

MT. 19:8-9
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

It was the phrase “except for marital unfaithfulness” that has always struck me and also has been the crux of our disagreements over the divorce issue at large.

Now, every one let’s suspend what we have been taught and view the scripture with fresh eyes.  I suggest that what Jesus is saying in the larger context of this ENTIRE discussion with the Pharisees has nothing to do, really, with what is an appropriate situation wherein a believe in God might divorce.  Rather, Jesus’ emphasis is that the pharisees who are attempting to become justified by following the law CAN’T. 

If we use that thinking and then look at verses 8-9 and use the gender inclusive language that this section of the Greek allows, what we can easily read is this (CAPS ARE MY TRANSLATIONS, and remember that punctuation doesn’t really exitst in the Greek):

8- “Moses permitted you to divorce your SPOUSES because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
9- I tell you that ANY PERSON who divorces THEIR SPOUSE, - UNLESS THEY OR THEIR SPOUSE IS AN ADULTERER ALREADY - and marries another PERSON commits adultery.”

What Jesus says here, essentially, is that there is NO situation that makes divorce OK in God’s eyes (Yes, before you hit your submit comment or reply buttons, I know that the Weeks/Bynum situation and ones like it are different, but I can deal with those in a second).  The glorious thing is that we don’t have to be perfect because the law (letter and spirit) say the same thing: “Don’t commit adultery” and “let no man put assunder” are kind of the same thing.  We can’t get it done ourselves (which is what Jesus was trying to say to the pharisees in the first place) but God in his love, grace and mercy toward has made a way for us.

So, in closing… stop bickering over when it’s OK to divorce.  Scripture is clear; there is never a time when it’s OK.  But, God be praised, through Jesus we can be forgiven.

I have to laugh. Yes, God hates divorce AND he also hates sin.

Who of you out there sin? Who of you out there wear your perfect little Christian masks and hide the secret sin you do behind closed doors? I bet most of you in leadership aren’t honest with where you’re at. That’s because “christian” culture won’t let you be open or honest. If people found out what you really do or think you’d be judged. There’s very little compassion or forgiveness in “church”.

What’s worse, being honest with your failings or pretending you have it all together?—like the pharisees.

Point fingers at everybody who fails but conveniently forget that you too sin.

“It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Rather than worry about other peoples failings and weaknesses, it’s best that we concentrate on our own. God forgives divorce as he does murder, rape, pedophilia, adultery, sexual thoughts, pride, arrogance, judgmental people. People exactly like us.

Fancy that!

I think PastorBill’s situation is a bit different because it’s an issue of the past.  I know a pastor who divorced when he was young.  He later repented for that at recognized that as being sinful, and many years (15 or 20) he went into the ministry. 

Now if a pastor gets divorced while in a leadership position, that indicates a CURRENT problem.  I think that deserves to be treated differently.  I don’t think that makes restoration impossible, but I believe that certainly is problematic.

In the original post Joyce Meyers was listed as one of the ministry leaders who was divorced.  If I am not mistaken, her situation was one in which she divorced early before she matured in faith, well before she had any sort of leadership position.

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