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Ed Young: Vision
Orginally published on Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 6:25 AM
by Todd Rhoades
What do you think of this quote by Pastor Ed Young?:
“Little people with little vision…always challenge big people with big vision”
I think that pretty well sums it up... what do you think? Have any great examples of this?
Have a great day!
Todd
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Post Your Comments:When I learned how to take true-false tests as a kid, the teacher told us to look out for absolute words like “always” and “never”. That was a major clue that the answer was probably false.
Young’s quote is true in some circumstances and quite false in other circumstances. Lots of times “big vision” people need to be challenged by an even bigger vision - the Kingdom of God.
King Ahab had a pretty big vision for Israel in 1 Kings 16. Unfortunately for him, Elijah showed up in chapter 17 and following and challenged that vision with the word of the Lord.
I am crying...this is so true...and is so frustrating....
But like I always tell me my people…
Outlead them all…
http://pastorphill.typepad.com/phillip_longmire/
anoynmous,
My e-mail addy is:
Not only do I have some suggestions for you but do know individuals personally who could be of greater help to you and your family.
I ask this we take this to e-mail given what you’ve stated in your last post.
Please just identify where I know you from in the subject line.
Keeping in prayers,
Camey
PS: I know I’m over the response limit on this one Todd. I know you support my responding though. Thank you.
[When I learned how to take true-false tests as a kid, the teacher told us to look out for absolute words like “always” and “never”. That was a major clue that the answer was probably false.]
Rusty are there absolutes? Just curious, I wouldn’t think you’re saying there are no absolutes (relativism) but I want to make sure
Wow! I haven’t had so much up and down since my teeter-totter days! First you’ve got Pastor Al throwing out slogans galore (from http://www.despair.com ?), then you’ve got anonymous pouring out his heart about some serious issues at his church. Al is a day early for Funny Friday, though!
Anon - Like Camey, I’m available to offer what counsel I can. I’ve been through some significant church leadership conflict recently, as well, and know something of the toll it can take. Feel free to e-mail me: randehle (at) sbcglobal (dot) net.
BeHim,
Of course there are absolutes, but I don’t come up with them (and neither does Ed Young).
Well said Rusty :-O)
Anonymous,
You are among friends here ! I have found MMI to be very helpful and healing in such matters. May God bless you.
“Those who hear not the music think the dancer’s mad.”
Back to Todd’s original question about Ed’s qoute. I have found it to be true. Ed will tell you accountability is vital, remember qoutes are meant to encourage us on with courage. It seems there is a move in the church to keep pastors under the leadership (and some lordship, little “l") of a church board. Vision born of God will cause those who have little understanding about God to defend their complacent hearts.
I think I can speak to Ed’s quote within the context of his use, he was talking to Pastors about not getting off course. It is easy to allow the “they” (Ed’s term) in your church to start fires that focus our attention away from the Main Thing! Yes, some abuses exist, but not in all cases.
Remember leadership will always go against the grain of culture and look dominant. Is that all bad? Moses leadership was challenged as faulty. Nehemiah was laughed at! Paul was considered lacking in compassion and Jesus was outright rejected.
Real leaders who get their vision from God will cause those out of tune with God to rebel!
It is a great quote.
I too would offer my help to annonymous, but the greatest help will come from the love of Christ. I have found that most often those hurt by church are not hurt by the pastor, but by those who fight the pastor who is only trying to lead a church toward God. Satan’s greatest tool against the church is rebellion against Biblical authority.
In regards to the question. I think the one positive is that at least there are people having vision big or small. That is a big obstacle to overcome many times is helping people find purpose because when they do they can begin to envision themrselves apart of something. I know what the quote is meaning but what if we look at as if all the ministries within the church or organization with small vision as a collected, united vision become one big vision. We all know that each vision has to be a part of the Pastor’s or Leaders vision or it becomes division. I believe if people have vision that needs to be praised because if we can help increase the passion of people for their area of ministry then they will serve more and their vision will increase. Success is addicting so if we praise God for the victories we receive and we commend those whom He used people will want to continue to see success in an even greater scale. I think we must be careful in the body of Christ to not have an us vs. them mentality, we are a team and we must be able to use wisdom to help people get to where we feel we need to be.
I know I’m getting in on this late, but I tend to agree w/the statement. I chimed in because I am dealing w/a sort of opposite experience.
What started out as a big vision from God for the church seems to have been so compromised because leadership has folded to the “little vision” people. The vision seems so small now, yet I am trying to trust God that the leadership has been constantly seeking Him and that this must somehow be necessary to maintain the unity of the Body.
Any thoughts or experiences like this that others care to share w/me?
Carolyn -
There are two things true about almost every church.
1. Some people wish it was becoming more than they can hope…
2. Some people wonder why it can’t just be the way it used to be…
One of the great challenges that church leadership faces is the tension of building a vision faithful to God’s calling for the church to “Go into all the world, making disciples,” without dis-enfranchising the slow-growers of the congregation.
For pastors, the best we can do is communicate CLEARLY (our philosophy and vision)CONSISTENTLY (to every group in every opportunity) and RELENTLESSLY (not growing weary). Sometimes our churches do not respond…
I recently left a church that voted “yes” on the need to build an addition 5 times in eleven years. They voted “NO” on the additions everytime. Last spring my senior pastor asked me, “how I could still be there?” (I was already beginning a search using… insert commercial here ‘CHURCHSTAFFING.com’!)
There are outs for the staff, we can always become used car salesmen… THe more difficult task is for the family who has lived in a community for all of their lives and the church is their home… How do lay people put up with non-visionaries?
Pray for them. Pray with them. Share ways that you can SEE God at work and pray that they catch a vision of God that is bigger than the current one they have. It is the one-another stuff of Scripture.
My heart breaks for those who struggle in these ways. In the end, God will get things HIS way, we keep adjusting until we are in line with that!
Well, since we’re sharing favorite quotes here’s a couple of mine. Both are credited to that wise old sage “Anonymous”
“Don’t mistake the edge of the rut you are in for the horizon.”
and
“If the only tool you have is a hammer...you tend to see every problem as a nail.”
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