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Get a Bible, For Crying Out Loud…

Orginally published on Monday, December 17, 2007 at 9:28 AM
by Todd Rhoades

Pastor David Trotter says that in ten years of ministry at three different churches, he has heard hundreds of people say that they aren't being 'fed' enough -- they they are getting too much milk and not enough meat. But he makes the point that several other prominent pastors and bloggers have made recently: As followers of Jesus, we are called to feed ourselves and feed others who are new in the faith...

David then shares some quotes on this subject from Steven Furtick, Perry Noble, and Ben Arment on this subject:

Steven Furtick says: “Churches are filled with those who have known Christ for decades, and still need a bib, a high chair, and want Daddy to do ‘open wide, here comes the airplane’ tricks with the fork before shoving it into their mouths.
I try to serve up the Word, hot and fresh every single Sunday. But if you refuse to apply it, study your Bible and pray some during the week, join a small group and dig deeper with others…if you refuse to bring it back to your mouth, I can’t help you.

Get your own fork, and learn to feed yourself. Stop burying your hand in the dish and spitting out every thing that doesn’t give you a spiritual sugar high. Eat some vegetables. Serve. Pray. Practically apply the Bible to your life.” Read more here.

Perry Noble says: “I’ve heard it…you have too…’Christians’ saying, ‘I just want to be fed!’ It blows my mind! This would be equal to you and I going to an all you can eat restaurant and crying because no one would bring us any food. Food is all around in this environment…but if the person is lazy and self centered, wanting to be waited on hand and foot, then they could possibly starve to death when food is merely a few feet away.

“Today as Christians we have WAY more information than we could ever apply. However, I think many people use ‘going deep’ as an excuse as to not actually apply any of the knowledge they claim to be soaking up. I believe it breaks the heart of God when arrogant people claim intellectual superiority out of pride and stupidity rather than just seeking Jesus and trying to honor Him on a daily basis.

“In reading through the Scriptures I have found that Jesus’ strongest words of rebuke were for the ‘deep,’ the professional religious people of the day. If ‘deep’ is being a part of the group that knows tons about the Bible but missed Jesus–then I don’t want to be affiliated with them. Give me Jesus Christ, crucified, risen and who will one day return…not another Bible study on the weight of the Ark of the Covenant.” Read more here.

Ben Arment says: “I’ve always felt troubled by phrases such as ‘I need to be fed’ or ‘I need meat’ when referring to spiritual growth. And not just because they’re usually meant to be critical of a pastor’s content… but I could never see this thinking in Scripture. Paul uses ‘feed’ and ‘meat’ in terms of where he expects Christians to be in their maturity, but it’s never used by people to demand something.” Read more here.

You can read David’s entire post here...

David is starting a new series specifically about how members of his church can do this.

How have you combatted the “I’m not being fed” cry at your church?


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  There are 35 Comments:

  • Posted by Leonard

    I have said for some time that my goal is not to feed but to lead.  The objective of my preaching is to lead people to Christ, to discovery, to character, to maturity, to mission… The objective of the Body is to be the place where equipping happens.  I often tell people that if the are not growing it is not my nor is it our churches fault Everything you need to grow is being provided. 

    One question I ask about 4-6 times a year through my preaching is; “what did you come here expecting?” Expectations have much to do with development of relationships.  I then tell them, if you came expecting to be fed, I am sorry because I rarely prepare a sermon with feeding in mind.

  • Posted by

    Well . . . my experience is a bit different.  Most of the people I know who complained about not getting meat were very solid Christians, well studied and grounded in the Word.  I believe that the complaint, at the core, is less a reflection of what they want and more of what they don’t want.

    They don’t want “seeker” messages from the pulpit that will attract messy unreached people to the church (and maybe to the youth group where some pierced or tattooed kid might make a pass at their squeaky clean daughter).  They don’t want to be asked give up “christianeze” in their conversations with one another.  They don’t want to use church programming dollars on things that aren’t about them and their family and their needs.  And so on and so on . . .

    I think they reason they don’t want milk from the pulpit is that they know the reason for messages they term as “meatless” are targeted at people they really don’t want in “their” church.

    I guess this is what Perry, Steven and Ben are talking about; people who haven’t been transformed enough by the message they’ve received to become selfless and sacrificial in their spirits.

    Harsh, I know . . . but it comes from a bitter experience.

    Wendi

  • Posted by slw

    It’s one thing if people who are trying to serve and reach out don’t feel like they’re hearing what aids them in doing so, it’s another if “gourmands” are sitting idly in the chairs (or pews) playing sermon critic. The claim could be justifiable for one and hot air for the other.

  • Posted by Peter Hamm

    Oh, boy I could go on and on. I think it was Andy Stanley who said that most Christians are educated far beyond their obedience. In my experience it’s true, but I am constantly encouraged by the fact that in our congregation, with the people I know and love, that is just NOT the case. They get it!

    Alas, the problem is a mis-understanding of what “food” is, spiritually speaking. I’m not more spiritual because I memorized the dimensions of the tabernacle or because I know who the Jebusites were. I’m more spiritual if I love more like Jesus loved and do the things that he did and that he sent me to do. Things I learn from studying his word and doing it.

    My life verse is John 4:34 “My nourishment comes from doing the will of God, who sent me, and from finishing his work.” Notice Jesus doesn’t say that his nourishment comes from Bible Study and Wednesday night church services.

    Do the things Jesus did, love how he loved, read your Bible to be able to do that better… and you will be growing and you will be fed, and you will be feeding others.

    The problem with many of us is not that we aren’t being fed, it is that we have an eating disorder…

  • Posted by Mark

    I believe that the “I am not being fed” syndrome is possibly connected to one of the precepts of modernity, in which the acquisition of knowledge is considered the highest pursuit. Of course, people seem to think that knowledge is learning, with very little influence on how one actually lives. I have been thinking a lot lately about how people learn and grow spiritually. From my experience, the times of greatest spiritual growth have come through either a crisis in my life or when faced with an opportunity that exceeded by perceived abilities. Even though I have heard and delivered hundreds of sermons in my life, and they do play a role in my spiritual development, how I live my daily life in Christ and apply spiritual truths to those situation is the primary factory in determining whether I am growing in Christlikeness.

  • Posted by Derek

    Right on Peter…
    It is not information but transformation that is a better gauge of spiritual growth. Knowing more Bible knowledge normally doesn’t translate into spiritual growth.

    I had a someone comment to me recently, that he wasn’t being challenged at church. He said that he felt like our congregation was of a social club. AGHH.

    I have worked hard to move our church past the ingrown koininitas of the previous years. My response was, “Are you challenging others?” I think that was similar to David’s comments in the original post. We are called to eat spiritually so we can feed others.

    As I began to talk with him about why he felt this way, the conversation revealed that he was just a bit lonely, because many of his friends had moved away.

    The point: The FED ME mentality is really just a symptom of a larger problem. There is normally something below the surface of comments like that.

    Derek

  • Posted by Peter Hamm

    I am going to get flamed for this.

    My church IS a social club… with all the attending love and community that a true social club should have. The problem with that criticism of church is that it downplays that the whole reason we come “together” is to BE “together"… and the “social club” aspects of that are GOOD. Sharing meals is GOOD. Small talk is GOOD… Deep friendships that often result from this are VERY GOOD!

  • Posted by Eric Joppa

    Wendi,

    You called these people in most cases solid, and that they don’t want the “messy unreached” people in their church. How is that solid? I agree that that is a huge reason for christians not wanting the messages to be less meaty. I have even heard “solid” christians say that ‘the church is for christians, period!”

    My struggle is that the church is not for christians, it is made up of them. What’s most frustrating is that if you speak enough christianese and serve on a deacon board or elder board or two, you are thought to bee mature, or “solid”. Many of these men and women have been of that mold.

    To me, that is so far from solid that they need milk more than the unreached do. It is truly sad to me that so few churches or their leaders are aware or even willing to say such a thing to these “solid” christians.

    As a youth worker for over 10 years, I have seen this thought trickle from these parents into the minds and hearts of their kids. I tell them and their parents that if they look at history, no shepherd ever opened the mouth of a sheep, stuffed hay in there , shut and chewed for them. The shepherd protects sheep from predators, loves them, and guides them to the source of good food, green pastures. The sheep get there, see the food and eat.

    I will not feed you. I will care for you, protect you from predators as best I can, and show you where it is good to eat. That is my call. That is what God wants from me and from you.

    The solid parents, agree that it is their job to raise their kids, and that it is their responsibility to feed themselves. anything else is not solid at all.

  • Posted by

    Wendi, you are so right.

  • Posted by

    i agree with joppa, the older christians should be on the front line helping with these messy people all they can, instead of on the front pew talking down on whats going on, i took a woman to church one time and she had been drinking, and when we walked in you could hear a pin drop, some of the people ask me after service , did you know that woman was drinking, and i said yes and god knew too, and he was not shocked why should you be, but the woman keep coming and accepted the lord, and she is a good witness for jesus now, i believe you feed people the word at where there at, i can read my bible and know what god is saying, and if i need help the holy spirit will let me know what i need to know, or my pastor sometimes tells me,i think some of the older christians should grow up.but the main thing is not just tell people about jesus , but show them jesus, and he came to save , heal, and set free, and he told us to do the same by his power and his name.

  • Posted by Derek

    Peter,

    Certainly a true Christian community should include the best of the social club. We are given all of these ONE ANOTHER commandments (love, forgive, pray for, care, encourage, bear the burderns of...one another) to do in community.

    The “social club” that my friend talked about was where Christian community becomes an ingrown and the community exists purely for itself. These kind of communities become stale, stagnant and closed communities where evangelism becomes impossible.

    Our church was there once.

    Derek

  • Posted by Peter Hamm

    Derek, we probably need a new word, then, because that is NOT a social club, in any sense of the word, imho… See what I’m saying?

  • Posted by Camey

    This may sound off topic but isn’t really…

    Made me think of what happened when we went to our clubhouse here in our highly secure gated community for the Mother’s Day brunch this year.

    As soon as I told the hostess what name the reservations were under… She immediately had us shown to a private dining room instead of in to the main dining hall. There were many individuals dining there who were literally ticked off that they did not get their own private room. That they had to sit in the main room just like everyone else… except for “THOSE people in the private dining room.”

  • Posted by Derek

    Peter,

    I guess I use the term “social club” to refer to any kind of social gathering that exists for itself. This would differ from a “civic club” that refers to groups that gather to serve others. So “social club” carries that negative type of connotation for me.

    Derek

  • Posted by Joey Smith

    Henry Blackaby seems to agree. Here are a few quotes from his devotional site this morning:

    “There is no secondhand spirituality. No one else can develop Christian maturity on your behalf. “

    “Paul had a powerful walk with God.  Paul’s ministry was so impressive, in fact, that others tried to duplicate it.”

    “They could imitate Paul’s words, but they could not duplicate the power that was his through his personal relationship with God. “

    “Christian maturity takes effort; it comes over time. If you ignore the place of prayer and if you neglect your relationship with Christ, you will not grow in your faith.”

    “Only as you nurture you own relationship with Jesus will your life be filled with spiritual maturity and power.”

  • Posted by don

    Yepper, it will always be a problem… people want others to do everything for them.... especially the paid pastor who supposedly knows more and has the corner on spiritual stuffage.  As a youth guy I would deal with this constantly-- “Are our kids being fed?” Really, how do you as parents teach your kids how to worship, learn, grow and to love God… then I did the senior gig and hearing that same mantra from adults sitting in chairs on Sunday’s really made me nutty-- like can you please pick up the scriptures or listen to some good music, or do something to feed yourselves?  To a degree we in ministry are to blame.  I think (my opinion) that there were and are today plenty of pastors that want to be the all knowing, grand pooba’s of spiritual insight (not cool) in truth wanting the people to be co-dependant on them for their “spiritual stuff” and that is where this whole thing comes from… leaders that love to be all that while never teaching people how to do it themselves and then empowering them to go and be dependent on God and not man.
    Merry Christmas

  • Posted by Peter Hamm

    Don,

    also, too often we pastors and those who work in the church actually LIKE being put on some kind of spiritual pedestal… We have to tear that down and let people know we are ordinary folk. Rediscover the priesthood of all believers…

  • Posted by don

    Peter, dude, I’m with you on this-- I think it is much more valuable to allow people to fail so that they will not be dependent on anybody but the relationship they have with Christ.  That ultimately is how the Lord has had to deal with me.  If He is the Good Shepherd, then let Him be the Good Shepherd period.  Many, many of the “faithful” have got to come to the place that He is “the Good Shepherd” period and many many pastors ( I haven’t arrived) but I work very hard at deflecting students and adults from me and “Try” to teach them in the midst of life’s stuff the how to get it on with Him and this is not easy.  Just with my own kids, they have to come to terms with Christ and love Him and grow.  If the mystery is Christ in us, then so be it.  If He is in us then it is either true or ...
    Peace!
    Don

  • Posted by Camey

    Don and Peter,

    Totally agree. As in the story I was relating… individuals thought we were given the private room because of who we are.. Nope. We were given the private room because money talks. People had been throwing money at the club due my dad’s passing. We (hubby and I and our boys) would have prefered to not be in the private dining room at all. We would have prefered to be in the kitchen or serving those in the main room or eating along side of them. In fact, clubhouse dining is not my first choice on how to spend mother’s day lunch… but it was for other mothers in our family.

    And Don.... great to hear how God continues to work in your life!

  • Posted by slw

    Don,
    Appreciate what you said. Amen. I think that when pastors have at least some sort of servant mentality and make the mistakes pointed out , they do want to be grand poobas, but when they are just control freaks, they’re just acting akin to soviet dictators. Either way the people are stunted and stifled.

  • Posted by don

    Camey!  Hey there.
    I would agree, here is where real feeding takes place-- get out and serve.  Get out and be the hands and feet of Christ.  Maybe the real problem is that many (not included any more if I may) is the intellectualizing of Jesus and the lack of any serving and living out His life.  Really.  I hate to pontificate on this thing… but… until “christians” get past the heady stuff...because they really think its all about what you “know” rather than what you do with what you know, we just have heady christians that want more head stuff in the meantime not much gets accomplished… i.e., serving, loving, social things (look out) and all that Jesus was about… it is so easy to be full of knowledge (puffs up) but that is what has happened over the years… just sit in a “pew” get more knowledge and watch the world go nuts.  Complete opposite of what is important.  Great read-- Ray S. Anderson “Christo Praxis” The shape of practical Theology and Lead Like Jesus… get em.  Finally, C.S. Lewis speaks about “men without chest” essentially people without the heart or passion, instead its all about the head… we need more followers committed to heart stuff, and let the head stuff come as they (same people) need more to keep living out their passions-- then they will go to the LIving Water for their needs instead of paying some guy to feed them.
    Peace and Joy
    Don

  • Posted by Peter Hamm

    Not that Bible study is a bad thing (on the contrary, it is a VERY good thing that we should all be passionately devoted to) but…

    Did Jesus say “Study Me” or did he say “Follow Me”?

    That’s where the rubber hits the road as it were.

  • Posted by Leonard

    With all this agreeing going on I hope I don’t sound to negative ...but… Peter we must be careful not to create a power struggle between the words of Jesus and the words of Paul who did say to study the word.  We need to understand that a good portion of Jesus commands to follow were physical as well as spiritual.  “I am right here so leave your nets and follow me right now.”

    Too many leaders spend too much time feeding instead of equipping.  too many leaders spend too much time coddling sheep instead of leading sheep. 

    Too many sheep make themselves victims of their churches “lack of depth” and develop excuses for not growing, loving, sharing Christ, giviing, serving… and then say; “I am not being fed.”

    Churches that have leaders who are leading usually are growing.  Those that do not usually are not.

  • Posted by don

    Leonard-- Dude,
    You are right about equipping-- 1 more step-- existential living is essential.  Contray to those afraid of “experience"-- one must experience Christ… The Pit produces people with passion, maybe not alot of book smarts but I would take 10 people that have experienced God’s daily grace far over those that can quote and love for others to do, while moaning that they need someone to put a fork in thier mouths for them.  No thank you
    Thanks
    Don
    Psalm 40

  • Posted by Steve Lamm

    HOW HAVE YOU COMBATTED THE “I’M NOT BEING FED” CRY AT YOUR CHURCH?

    I had this comment from a few people in the first church I pastored (some 20 years ago) after I changed the way I preached from sequential exposition to primarily a topical approach that focused on felt-needs.

    I didn’t like the comment because it hurt my ego and I reacted much like a few of the pastors mentioned above in the article did. Because of my pride and insensitivity, I lost the ability to minister to many of the people in that church. I subsequently, and mistakenly resigned that pastorate and went off and planted a church where I could do things the way I wanted to.

    I had a few very mature and loyal believers help me with the church-plant and we grew quite a bit in the first couple of years with many new converts. I preached on many “relevant topics” and people seemed satisfied. But, after about three years, we lost some really mature and capable people and guess what - I found out that they felt they were not being fed! These people were doing a lot of ministry in and out of the church. They were the teachers and leaders. But they were hungry for the deeper teaching that their I wasn’t giving them.

    I was really devastated and since I knew these people were godly men and women, I really began to rethink my views. I spent the next half-year studying the Pastoral Epistles and many other relevant passages of Scripture and confirmed what I already knew - that it IS the job of the pastor to “feed the flock” Christ has given to him! Certainly, a good pastor will also teach the people under his care how to read, properly interpret and apply Scripture themselves (Eph 4:11-16). But if a pastor is a well-trained interpreter of the Bible, and he is growing deeper in his own understanding of God’s Word (and he ought to be), then he should share that deeper understanding with the rest of the church.

    Since that time I have dedicated myself to the clear, applicational exposition of Scripture from the pulpit in my present ministry and I have seen God bless that effort as the people have grown and have become more mature and better equipped to minister to each other and also to effectively share their faith with the lost.

    Now let me balance this a bit. All criticism should be taken in context and measured carefully. If only a few people are gripping about the pastor’s preaching, he should probably not worry too much about it. But if SEVERAL people (or “hundreds") begin to complain to him that they do not feel fed by his messages, then that warrants some close examination on his part, especially if several of those expressing dissatisfaction are some of the more mature believers in the church!

    Dr. Steven Lawson has written a very good little book on this issue entitled FAMINE IN THE LAND which I believe every pastor who loves the Word of God should read. It addresses the lack of sound exposition in the modern church and the devastating effects this will have on the future health of the church.

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