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Get a Bible, For Crying Out Loud…

Orginally published on Monday, December 17, 2007 at 9:28 AM
by Todd Rhoades

Pastor David Trotter says that in ten years of ministry at three different churches, he has heard hundreds of people say that they aren't being 'fed' enough -- they they are getting too much milk and not enough meat. But he makes the point that several other prominent pastors and bloggers have made recently: As followers of Jesus, we are called to feed ourselves and feed others who are new in the faith...

David then shares some quotes on this subject from Steven Furtick, Perry Noble, and Ben Arment on this subject:

Steven Furtick says: “Churches are filled with those who have known Christ for decades, and still need a bib, a high chair, and want Daddy to do ‘open wide, here comes the airplane’ tricks with the fork before shoving it into their mouths.
I try to serve up the Word, hot and fresh every single Sunday. But if you refuse to apply it, study your Bible and pray some during the week, join a small group and dig deeper with others…if you refuse to bring it back to your mouth, I can’t help you.

Get your own fork, and learn to feed yourself. Stop burying your hand in the dish and spitting out every thing that doesn’t give you a spiritual sugar high. Eat some vegetables. Serve. Pray. Practically apply the Bible to your life.” Read more here.

Perry Noble says: “I’ve heard it…you have too…’Christians’ saying, ‘I just want to be fed!’ It blows my mind! This would be equal to you and I going to an all you can eat restaurant and crying because no one would bring us any food. Food is all around in this environment…but if the person is lazy and self centered, wanting to be waited on hand and foot, then they could possibly starve to death when food is merely a few feet away.

“Today as Christians we have WAY more information than we could ever apply. However, I think many people use ‘going deep’ as an excuse as to not actually apply any of the knowledge they claim to be soaking up. I believe it breaks the heart of God when arrogant people claim intellectual superiority out of pride and stupidity rather than just seeking Jesus and trying to honor Him on a daily basis.

“In reading through the Scriptures I have found that Jesus’ strongest words of rebuke were for the ‘deep,’ the professional religious people of the day. If ‘deep’ is being a part of the group that knows tons about the Bible but missed Jesus–then I don’t want to be affiliated with them. Give me Jesus Christ, crucified, risen and who will one day return…not another Bible study on the weight of the Ark of the Covenant.” Read more here.

Ben Arment says: “I’ve always felt troubled by phrases such as ‘I need to be fed’ or ‘I need meat’ when referring to spiritual growth. And not just because they’re usually meant to be critical of a pastor’s content… but I could never see this thinking in Scripture. Paul uses ‘feed’ and ‘meat’ in terms of where he expects Christians to be in their maturity, but it’s never used by people to demand something.” Read more here.

You can read David’s entire post here...

David is starting a new series specifically about how members of his church can do this.

How have you combatted the “I’m not being fed” cry at your church?


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  There are 35 Comments:

  • Posted by don

    Steve
    I can relate hugely-- I too did a church plant, (CMA) I came in after the church planter left, so the church plant had already morphed into a “church”.  That being said, while I agree that the ‘pastor” teaches (right things) and helps facilitate followers to follow and the like, I am troubled with the whole shepherd flock ideal.  While I am not into the pastor as a CEO either, I think the pastor gig is way out of whack.  But that is for another day.  I feel your anquish.  I too went through the same thing.  Only I left, headed into corporate world, enjoy leading a Saturday night thing and teaching High school kids on Sunday mornings.  Without training leaders to catch the “right” vision of leadership and the role of the pastor we the church continue to grow very dysfunctional people that cry for food that they really can get.  When I was in the pit over the past 3 years I had no one helping me to get nourishment-- I was empty-- but God had a purpose and still does… frankly some of the most needy people need to recognize that this life is brutal and that Jesus won’t fix every thing… He will help and guide and develop character and that is painful and for those that have ears to hear… they will.  Again, with just head stuff, there are many many of the “flock” getting through life with simple head stuff, but when the time to grow comes they cry out for something to fill them up, while all along Jesus says that “He is the Bread of Life” “He is the Living water” All the stuff the people want He is. 
    Peace man.
    Don

  • Posted by Jason Poling

    Gotta take a contrarian view on this, folks...truth is, there’s plenty in the Bible that is not very easy to self-feed.  Take a look at the first few chapters of Ezekiel from a new believer’s perspective...is the “take what you read and apply it to your life” going to work?  Make sense?  (more importantly) Be faithful to Scripture as inspired in its particular context?  If we’re real evangelicals, then we believe the whole thing is inspired, which means that there’s a place for people called to the work of study in languages, interpretation, theology, history, pastoral care, etc. to teach people how to eat this stuff.  Here in Baltimore we learn as kids to eat crabs, but it’s always fun to teach folks from elsewhere how to do it when they visit.  I see myself as doing much the same thing when we hit stuff that’s obscure, difficult to understand, controversial, complicated, in tension with other passages, or just plain weird (as the first chapters of Ezekiel certainly are).  Otherwise we end up sticking to a canon within a canon that yields a limited understanding of our faith, which ultimately leads to stunted spiritual growth.

    My $.02.

  • Posted by don

    No problem with your input-- except-- all those that follow Christ by faith have the spirit to illumin them-- which means its time for “some” if not most to spend time in the Word and with the Word period.  Not just a five minute devotion either… go get into the Word and the Living Word.  The Scriptures will speak for themselves-- there is no doubt that “we” in ministry have enabled some to be very “baby like” indeed.  If you took away all the “preachers” and teachers what?  Christianity folds up and goes away?  No-- it is time for “some” if not the majority to get involved, read and seek and go and do.
    Peace and Merry Christmas

  • Posted by Peter Hamm

    Jason,

    Good thoughts. I don’t think anybody is really advocating abandoning biblical teaching. But the spoon-feeding that many seem to want (even, I’m sorry to say, very mature Christians who should by now understand what they can take from a book like Ezekiel), is what has to stop.

    How do we measure Spiritual maturity anyway? by how able a believer is to exegete Scripture or by how much they are like Christ in their lives, leading others to know Him by their example? I’ll take the latter…

  • Posted by sarah

    This doesn’t make any sense to me. Why are you complaining that your flock wants to be fed? Isn’t that your job? Let me ask you a question. Do you digging deep into the Word of God and to learn? If so, then why not teach that to your flock? Why keep it to yourself?...seems selfish to me which isn’t a sign of Christian charity. If you are not digging deep into the Word of God, then shouldn’t you start doing so or get a different job? If you feel that you are digging deep into the Word and are sharing that with your flock, then ask them what they mean when they state that they are not getting fed. Maybe you as the pastor have no idea what it really means to feed your flock. However, according to your own account you seem to know what it means for your own flock to dig deep into the Word you demand your flock to dig deep into the Word. Your flock probably does study their Bibles, but they need for you to either confirm what they studied or correct their misgivings by what you teach on Sunday morning.

  • Posted by

    Sorry for all the mistakes in my last comment. I hope you can understand it anyway and think about what I said. People need their pastors. Christ was always teaching His followers and did so till his death...be like Christ.

  • Posted by

    To say that mature Christians know and understand everything about the bible that they need to know implies that they have somehow graduated and don’t actually need to go to church anymore to hear the word.

    I think the “cry” that needs to be “combated” is not that we want it all done for us. We just don’t want it dumbed down for the sake of the lost that we might reach, or that if we make the service any deeper, we’ll “scare people away.”

    It’s like school.  Would a proper teacher spend classroom time showing TV shows and tell the students they’re responsible for reading the textbooks on their own time, only ever briefly touching on the material?

    Church has become a place where I am not welcome anymore, where I’m shoved to the side (or even shown the door) for the sake of the “unchurched.”

  • Posted by

    The problem I have with this discussion is the judgemental attitude towards people who are simply wanting more. A pastor’s #1 job is to equip people for evangelism. I believe the fastest growing churches in America are being led by evangelists (not Pastors) and people ARE NOT being equipped.

    These men are so extremely critical of “the Church” that they had to go out and start their own (instead of being SENT !!!) then don’t have the thickness of skin to take a rebuke from older, mature Christians who get the fact that Jesus said “If You Love me then FEED my sheep”.

  • Posted by

    We just had this exact criticism from someone in our church last week.  They wrote a letter to our senior pastor saying there was no meat, and that the people needed to be fed and taken deeper.

    His response as he met with the letter writer was that as pastor he needs to shepherd the flock.  There are two kinds of sheep that need to be fed:  young ones and sick ones.  For the rest, his job is to lead them to pastures where they can feed themselves.

  • Posted by Don

    Wow-- this little deal is still being commented on?  There is a very large issue at the core of this-- the pulpit being the “watering hole” or the “feed dish” My contention is this:  It should not be period. 
    That ultimately turns the place for growth to the Pastor to do the work for people-- while there is A place and time for solid teaching and preaching-- it is simply one place-- the people of God need to get back to the words of God Himself-- that said (paraphrased) I hold this against you-- you dig your own cisterns (wells) when I am the lving water-- get your thirst quenched from me-- and when feeding and the quenching of thirst has been placed on pastors we have years of re-training and breaking this bad habit we have taught people-- that we in ministry have the ability to do what only God can do-- through His Word, through His Living Word, and through the Spirit....
    Still willing to say it!

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