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John MacArthur on Vulgarity and “Grunge Christianity”

Orginally published on Thursday, March 01, 2007 at 6:04 AM
by Todd Rhoades

I'm nothing if not an instigator. Here's a quote from John MacArthur for you to chew on... "I frankly wonder how any Christian who takes the Bible at face value could ever think that in order to be “culturally relevant” Christians should participate in society’s growing infatuation with vulgarity. Didn’t vulgarity and culture used to be considered polar opposites?"...

Johnny Mac talks mostly about Mark Driscoll in his article (that you can read in its fullness here)…

I love it when he says “Some of the things Driscoll talks freely and frequently about involve words and subject matter I would prefer not even to mention in public, so I am not going to quote or describe the objectionable parts.”

He then goes on to link to two people who DO quote Driscoll’s, “vulgar flippancy”. 

Maybe the title of this post shoulda been “John MacArthur Endorses People Who Link to Vulgar Preachers”.

smile

I’m not saying that John doesn’t make some good points.  And I’m not sticking up for ‘cussing preachers’… but…

MacArthur continues:  “When Paul spoke to that culture, he didn’t adopt Greek scatology to show off how hip he could be. He simply declared the truth of God’s Word to them in plain language. And not all of his pagan listeners were happy with that (v. 18). That’s to be expected. Jesus said, “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you” (John 15:18-19).”

So, which is it?  Did Paul speak the words of the Greek culture (without swearing, of course) or did he use language that didn’t fit the culture and play it safe? 

Just a question… I’m assuming here that ‘grunge’ people need Jesus.  (I hope I’m correct).  Who will better reach them?  Mark Driscoll or John MacArthur?

Let’s take it a step further… who IS currently reaching them?  Driscoll or MacArthur?

And about the “world hating you” part… I wonder if John has put himself in Mark’s shoes?  Driscoll’s had a lot of ‘hate’ showered his way lately by both the Christian and non-Christian community in Seattle.

All I’m saying is… John, man… don’t make me choose.  Why does it have to be an either/or?  You work at the work God has given you; and let Mark reach the people God hasn’t gifted you in reaching.  And if a word slips out here or there, and yet a few more people make it into the Kingdom, I can accept that.

After all, those [expletive deleted] people need Jesus too!

Just my 2 cents…

Todd


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  • Posted by JarsofMe

    I admit - I am a big Mark Driscoll fan - primarily because he seems to be the first guy who can marry extensive expository, systematic ministry with cultural and creative relevance.  Most guys seem to fall on one side of the fence - he manages to strattle it pretty well.

    As for John - this seems to be the latest and greatest of his personal attacks against someone else on “our team.” Seriously, if he would spend half as much time refuting the “gods of the world” as he does picking out his self-described fallacies of other Christian ministers, perhaps he could make some significant advances in our mission to evangelize the world.

    It’s almost like the captain of the ship needs to point to the front of the ship and say, “the enemy is out there gentlemen.”

    As for the issue at hand - I don’t think Jesus was called a glutton and a drunkard for nothing.  Obviously Jesus didn’t sin, but he sure did rub shoulders with a lot of sinners.  I wonder if John M. makes it a regular practice of meeting with people who are nothing like him in an effort to “become all things to all people.....to win some?”
    Maybe John needs a hug or something.

  • Posted by Josh R

    I don’t see Driscoll’s ‘profanity’ so much as a compromise with culture as a rejection of the prudishness of the Church. 

    The stuff MacArthur would prefer not even to mention in public is exactly what people of Seattle are proudly celebrating and entrenching themselves in.  While other conservative preachers are red-faced preaching in code about the depravity around them, Driscoll vividly, directly and harshly preaches against the depravity, so there is no question what he is talking about. 

    It should also be noted that Driscoll agrees that he goes overboard sometimes, and openly confesses that this is an area where he sins.
    A week ago, he talked about this in his sermon.  “Do I have my sin that I need to repent of so the Gospel can move forward in Seattle?  I do. Sometimes I get angry and burned out and frustrated and I say things that I shouldn’t or I say things that I should in a way that I shouldn’t.  A buddy of mine says ‘you are going to die’.  I said ‘how is that’?  He said ‘death by comment’… A lot of truth to that.  I have my own sin to repent of and confess, confess it to you.”

    Driscoll isn’t nearly as profane as prime time television.  He just talks about the topics that are hot in his community.  Those topics are uncomfortable to those who have been raised in a Church and fellowship in the church, and insulate themselves from the rest of society with a protective layer of fish stickers.  The unsaved folks are repelled by those fish stickers, and they think church people are downright weird.  (Mostly because we are) Driscoll has peeled off all of the fish stickers, and when folks come to his church, he hits them square in their center of their favorite sin with the sledgehammer of the gospel.

  • Posted by Wendi

    I have issues with both Driscoll and MacArthur – different issues.

    But JM has (IMO) prostituted the platform God has given him far more that a little vulgarity from someone like MD ever could.  Driscoll uses his platform, even if I disagree with his methods, to reach people far from God.  MacArthur uses his stir up people who are already “found,” incites divisive behavior within the local churches of his loyal followers.  Instead of helping his listeners and readers become better equipped to be a kingdom influence, he encourages them to put their pastors under his microscope (if I had a dime for every time JM writes or speaks to his “non-clergy” audience about bad preachers or pastors, I’d be rich.) If he (the pastor) fails the MacArthur test, his loyal fans, now fully equipped with MacArthur weapons of warfare, begin firing.  Heaven forbid they should just decide their church isn’t a good fit anymore and leave.  No . . . like their hero JM, they are compelled to decry the spiritual ills of their leaders from every hilltop within their church.  Their mission?  Not to go and make disciples of all nations, but to “bring down” those JM has helped them identify as heretics within their church.

    I’m not a prophet, but my bet is that when these guys stand before the master and have to account for how well they have stewarded the riches which had been entrusted to them, one will hear “well done good and faithful servant” and the other might even hear “ you wicked and lazy #?$%&? . . .”

    Wendi

  • Posted by Leonard

    Wendi,
    I always have a hard time figuring out what you are thinking. (smiley face here) Your description of the way people are under the watchful eye of MacDaddy is so true.

    About language:  I grew up in a home where swearing wasn’t really swearing.  No f-bomb and no Lord’s Name in vain stuff the folks would say.  Don’t call people swear words but if sh#% fits your need better than another word, use it.  At the same time I was in a church that made BigMac look liberal.  True but sad:  I don’t remember one person ever giving their life to Christ at my church with the exception of the youth or a kid.  Oh we asked every week but no one came.  Keep in mind this was the early and mid 70’s, but I cannot remember anyone. 

    The contrast of my church and my home was so weird.  It (the church) was a place my dad never felt comfortable.  It was a place where my brother never felt comfortable.  (comfortable = accepted by God cared for by his people) so both quit going.  My brother until his 30’s and my dad until a couple years ago, in his 70’s, had no time for church.  Never once did it occur to the leaders of the church that they might be in any way a small part of the problem, no it was those with the “Sin of Rebellion” in their heart. 

    Fast Forward to my church today.  We are not huge by any standard but we are growing and reaching our community.  I think it is because we lack a certain conventional reverence and people do not have to step through a time warp to worship Jesus and hear his word.  We played a Beatles song the other day and the energy in the room skyrocketed.  Same thing happened when we played U2.  When we use video, technology, cultural language the people who know Jesus do not have to step through a time warp to worship him.  My guess is that if you were to visit Mars Hill you would not walk through a time warp but walk into something that gets its culture.  I have been to
    J-Mac’s and in order to worship I have to go back in time and reframe myself to 1975.  In some places this might be just due to resources but there it is intentional and held as the way it should be.  I guess Driscoll won’t be speaking at the “how to do it my way conference SmackMac will be holding this year.

  • Posted by Brad Raby

    I was dissapointed as I tracked back through MaCs article to the blogs he ‘recommended’ it thought there were going to be some really bad words...but potty, poop, freaky were about they only words i could pick up one...there was the one story that Mark told about his kid wanting to know if Jesus had a ‘boy part’...It wasn’t all that crazy to me. (I listened to the one on Phil Johnsons Blog)

    Johnny Mac has his good and bad...The older he gets the more it does seem that he feels he is the security guard of Orthodox Christianity.

  • Posted by Brian

    Leonard,

    I’m liking you more and more all the time!

    Brian

  • Posted by Wendi

    Leonard, I love your definition of comfortable = accepted by God cared for by his people.

    So many of the watchdogs, among whom JM is chief, claim that we are watering down the gospel of minimizing sin in order to help people feel comfortable. 

    But I’m guessing that your brother and father were not “unbelievers” all those years they felt uncomfortable.  But look at the cost of keeping things uncomfortable.  Many people chuck the church forever, and years without anyone finding Jesus. 

    So glad that you’ve rewritten the church story of your family of origin.

    Wendi

  • Posted by Linda

    What does Mc Arthur struggle with, does anyone know?  I’d like to read his confessions.  Certainly Driscoll needs to make a few changes as WE ALL DO.  I admit it’s easier to pray for Driscoll because he lives openly.

    One of the best small groups I ever had was probably a small version of Driscolls church.  We had a homeless heroin addict, a crack cocaine addict, a professor, recovering alcoholic, attorney, etc.  The twenty-five people, myself included had areas that needed change.  The language could be crude at times.  We came up with a term that set us all at ease.  Whenever someone was uncomfortable with what was being said we could say, “OVERSHARE.” That way people had the freedom to say anything and yet we could stop it at any point.  Church life is messy and God is looking for a bride without spot or blemish.  It’s easy to whitewash a church.  Driscoll’s is certainly not that.

  • Posted by TGOT

    hey,

    good stuff…

    mark needs to stop swearing and be a little more holy and set a part from the world…

    and john needs to get w/ the times, loss the tie and try to engage the culture in real way…

    That Guy Over There

  • Posted by kent

    I really do not know much about either one of them. I have not listen to John Mac much intentionlly and I have heard about Mark Dris, not heard him much. They are both people who seem to fill room with their presence. My base and probably the mark thoughts about them are that MacArthur like MacArthur - a lot, and Driscoll seems to be aggressive and knows that is puts people off and enjoys that. It would be fun to have them in the same room and conversing about whatever. I would buy that ticket.

  • Posted by Geoff

    MacArthur used his considerable influence to publically castigate a good friend of mine several years ago. My friend has never completely recovered and must still answer to MacArthur’s baseless charges on an almost daily basis. Because of my close association with this friend I also have to spend a great deal of time refuting MacArthur’s claims. If he caused as much damage to the Kingdom of Darkness as he does to the Kingdom of Light MacArthur would be an incredible asset to the church; as it is he’s just a pain in the…

  • Posted by Pastor Al

    Geoff,

    Wow - I think you said it all.

    Blessings on you and your friend,

    PA

  • Posted by Linda

    Kent,

    I’m assuming you already have a ticket.  It will be a match made in heaven.  I can’t wait till were all together there!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted by myPond

    one two-word phrase in response to MacArthur’s latest missile about a fellow pastor.

    hope it’s not too crude:

    OH BROTHER*.

    *This phrase always accompanied by eye-roll.

  • Posted by Brian in BC

    The first thing that comes to mind is the use of the word “Grunge”...1990 called, they want their word back.  “Grunge” has been dead since about 1997 so using the term to discuss someone’s ministry in terms of “cultural relevance” shows that you’re about a decade behind what’s happening out there.  I find that we are in a huge battle between Orthodoxy and Orthopraxy.  It saddens me that someone like John Macarthur who has his orthodoxy so in-line in so many ways frowns and calls to question the Orthopraxy of another brother in Christ.  This is so sad...truly, deeply sad.  I find it interesting that over the years while I’ve listened to John Macarthur’s sermons on “Grace to You” I’ve really enjoyed his class and grasp of the Word, but as I’ve jumped onto the Christian “blogosphere” to see what’s happening in ministry around the world, there seems to be such a movement to “living Christ” day to day and within the culture and the world...becoming shining lights and yet it seems that in some circles, everything is about “being right” instead of about “living your faith”.  I just don’t see this as what Christ would be applauding.  Yes, truth and the gospel are vitally important, but WHAT WE DO WITH IT are also vitally important.  If we spend our time telling others why they are wrong, we’ve missed half (at least) the message and are truly only raising up our own self-righteousness.

    I keep turning back to the Gospels.  Jesus challenged the Pharisees who were so sure of their “rightness” and yet wouldn’t cross the street to help someone in need.  I have to wonder if we are not seeing the same thing here...people who spend their entire sermon life outlining right and wrong and yet who never seem to challenge their listeners to reach out to people where they are at with the love of God.

    We seem to get the “Great Commission” right and forget “The Great Commandment”.

  • Posted by Stewart

    I’d like to comment on Mac’s thoughts but it would require profanity. smile Mark has a way with words that is sometimes insensitive. But I’ve never heard him utter something unutterable. His sharpe tongue is usually not about the words he uses at all, but rather about what he has to say. John’s way off base. And worse, it’s attitudes like that which have turned entire generations (mine (X) included) away from church.

    I like what Rob Bell has to say on this…

    if a guy comes into your office, he’s shacking up with his girlfriend; he’s cheating on her with her best friend’s brother; he’s just robbed a bank; he’s considering suicide; and he lights up a cigarette… only and idiot says, ‘we’ve got to get you to stop smoking’.

  • It is dissapointing when Christian leaders, such as John MacArthur, spend so much time attacking a fellow brother in Christ.

  • Posted by Dan Moore

    I believe the Apostle Paul can shed some light on this:  “Some, to be sure, preach Christ out of envy and strive, but others out of good will.  These do so out of love, knowing that i am appointed for the defense of the gospel; the others proclaim Christ out of rivalry, not sincerely, seeking to cause me trouble in my imprisonment.  What does it matter?  Just that in every way, whether out of false motives or true, Christ is proclaimed.  And int this I rejoice” (Phil 1:15-18, HCSB).  I have read items from both.  I don’t agree fully with either.  I just chew the meat and spit out the bones.  They are both human, both called, both in unique ministries, and both struggle in the Gospel ministry.  John MacArthur does make some points that we should heed in that as Christians and leaders we should live exemplary lives.  We do not need to use vulgarity to reach people nor should we become so sinful that we are no different from the world.  Mark D. reveals the struggle we have to engage a culture.  And we should engage the culture, without compromising our message and our manner, in a way that shows God’s love and reaches out.

  • Posted by mlouie

    There’s so much to say!!!  I’m a new believer.  By God’s grace, His word showed how I am a sinner and have nothing to offer Him.  I was saved through faith in Christ’s work on the cross.  He died for my sins, the perfect Son of God the Father!!!  I LOVE GOD BECAUSE HE LOVED ME FIRST!

    CAN WE TAKE THIS back to scripture please??!!!  GOD has left us HIS WORD for all situations!  ALL!!!  I first have to admit that I am somewhat ghetto, but I will try not to be bias.  by God’s grace, MY LOVE FOR HIM bids me to obey in what HE SAYS… Do you have that love FOR GOD and FROM GOD???  IF you do, you will find that you are a temple of the Holy Spirit, who teaches you God’s word.  His word says to LET NOT any unclean thing proceed from our mouths.  I AM guilty of that.  In my pride, I was motivated in saying things in a shocking manner, for the sake of shocking people as I deliver the gospel to them.  It was in my ignorance of the Word of God, for TITUS 2:7-8 says: in all things show yourself to be an example of good deeds, with purity in doctrine, DIGNIFIED, sound in speech which is beyond reproach, so that the opponent will be put to shame, having nothing bad to say about us.

    You know this issue is bigger than this one article.  It is bigger than a few controversial sermons.  If you want to know more, find the video called “Does the Truth matter anymore” on http://www.crosstv.com (I think it’s here).  It talks about how Great Britain’s evangelical churches already went through what we are going through right now in our age, here in America.  The Godly servant preacher Charles Haddon Spurgeon preached against worldly thinking polluting faithful biblical preaching.  So Man-Centered Ideas polluted God-Centered Biblical preaching in Spurgeon’s time.  It was Satan’s attack on the church then… through the ages, it obliterated Britain’s churches.  Now, Britain has dumped any true preaching of the Pure Word of God… entertaining church goers is the new trend, to a point that Scripture teaching is twisted so that it fits our culture, imagine it to fit the culture of Soddom and Gommorah!!!! (for our case, it is dangerously subtle!!!!) Biblical Truths are left out because they are hard for worldly ears to hear.  Now most of the churches in Britain are DEAD, EMPTY, for ENTERTAINMENT was their goal, so Worldly-Entertaining-Preaching GOT OLD!!!! and people ABANDONED going to church… BE WARNED, GOD’S WORD IS ETERNAL, IT NEVER GETS OLD!!!!!  BE WARNED true children of God!  Pray for the worldly pastors to turn away from that so that they preach it according to Titus 2:7-8… ALSO according to 2Timothy4:1-3 “I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom; preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction;For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

    I pray Lord that to those who read these verses for the first time will turn their hearts towards you, in a search for knowing YOU as most important above squabbles in defense of worldly polluted preaching.  Father I pray that YOUR TRUE CHILDREN will be convicted by Your Word through the work of the Holy Spirit!  Let THOSE who have Hardened Hearts towards Your FAITHFUL preachers, be turned away from that hardness… Lord I pray that you make them hunger for your Word, to teach them discernment so that they are able to think clearly above emotional feelings that can cloud their vision.  I pray this Father in the name of your Son, the great Christ, my Lord and Savior Jesus!  Amen!

    This rebuke is in love for the true church… is in love for God’s Will… is in living for God’s Glory.  Father show my heart any unfaithfulness of thought in my writing above.  I also pray that in your strength alone and in the wisdom of your Word alone - my heart… my mind… your church, your true children who read this receive the blessing of discernment from you through the work of the Holy Spirit.  I pray this in the name of my great Savior Jesus Christ.  Amen!

    Let us do all things in Christ, Let us praise His name above all things, Let us live for the Glory of God!

    mlouie
    unworthily redeemed sinner in Christ, by grace through faith alone in the Son!

  • Posted by Randy Ehle

    I particularly appreciate mlouie’s gracious and loving words of rebuke - words that come from and point us to scripture as our guide.  The timing of this is interesting for me, because my Greek class has recently translated a passage in Matthew 15, where Jesus confronts the Pharisees, who were concerned because Jesus’ disciples weren’t washing their hands before they ate.  Jesus turns that around and says that it’s what comes out of the mouth that makes one unclean.  What grabs me about that - and is relevant to this discussion - is that the word Jesus used in Matt 15:17 comes closest to meaning toilet or latrine...yet most English translations have cleaned that up ("Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?").  Simiilarly, Paul says in Philippians 3 that he considers everything else as “nothing” or “a loss”; here, the KJV probably comes closest to the idea of the original, translating it as “dung.”

    My point in these is that “street language” seems to have been used by Jesus, Paul, and probably others in the 1st century - without violating principles of decency, dignity, etc.  What is hard to know is how Jesus would speak today if he were in Seattle or Los Angeles or Denver or Midland or Providence.  (I wonder if he’d sound more like John MacArthur or Douglas MacArthur?!?  Mark Driscoll or Marky Mark?)

    Scripture is clear that our words must appropriately represent a holy God.  Scripture is also clear that we have freedom to be led by our conscience (which, I trust, is guided by the Holy Spirit).

  • Posted by Jan

    MaCarther just wearies me.

    I’m not a great fan of Driscoll , but I wish Mc would just get on with the business of ministry and let others be.  Why does he think we need a great refuter to take on these supposed issues?

  • Posted by Dan Moore

    I took the time to read MacArthur’s article.  He is right on.  I suspect that if he did not mention Driscoll he would be raked over the coals for not being specific.  Ministers do have a responsibility for whom they represent.  Was the Apostle Paul meddling when he told Timothy to “have nothing to do with irreverent and silly myths, rather train yourself in godliness” (1 Tim. 4:6, HCSB)? When I was younger, I considered that being culturally relevant might open doors to the Gospel but now that I am older I have found that when I act and talk like a preacher should - people are very open no matter where they are in life.  I don’t have to speak the “language of the street” to show that I care.  I don’t believe Jesus Christ ever needed to stoop down to vulgarity.  He probably just looked the person in the eye, held their hands, and said, “I love you” in word and deed.

  • Posted by fishon

    Let me simplify what I have been reading from most of you.

    That nasty, old John McAuthur, he is such a basher of dear old Mark D.
    Just who does he think he is? Who made him part of the Christian police?
    That “self-rightous” thug. He is attacking one of our own. Where does he get the right?

    YOU KNOW WHERE HE GOT THE RIGHT? From the same place some of you got
    your right to bash him with words like:

    #1. JM...has prostituded the platform God has given him.”
    #2. JM is making “...personal attacks....”
    #3. McAuthur...incites divisive behavior....”

    “OH, BUT MY BASHING IS DIFFERENT, FISHON. YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND. WE ARE JUST PROTECTING MARK AND POINTING OUT JM’S SIN. YOU SEE, FISHON, JM HAS A PUBLIC FORUM IN WHICH HE ATTACKS, GOOD OLD MARK. WE ARE JUST COMING TO THE AID OF MARK.”

    WRONG! You are doing the same as you claim JM to be doing. Seems like I read once about “taking the log our of your own eye.”

    McAuthur bashes Mark, you bash McAuthur. Yep, sounds a lot like Jesus.
    fishon

  • Posted by Jan

    I don’t know, if you put yourself out there in the public, in print and on tape over and over and over, then you put yourself in the place of being critiqued. 

    I’ve heard him in tapes and on print criticize Christian leaders right and left.

    So, to then turn on those who disagree with him, is a little bit over the top.

  • Posted by Wendi

    Fishon and Dan – I think you are missing some significant differences between Mac and Mark, and between their actions about which we are commenting and our actions in commenting about them.

    First Dan – I don’t think your comparison with Paul’s admonishment to Timothy works.  First, Paul didn’t say “don’t be like so-and-so who is irreverent and full of silly myths.” He cautioned Timothy and then trusted him to evaluate people and their influence in his life and ministry.  In fact, I can’t think of a place in the NT where the writer blasts a particular Christ follower. 

    You see Dan, our problem (at least mine) isn’t with Mac’s admonishment to be careful how we talk, it is with his insistence in picking out a brother to use as an example of how “not” to be.  I can see no reason, nor any biblical justification for using his influence in this manner.

    And Fishon – I’m certainly not coming to the aid of poor Mark Driscoll.  I have my beefs with him too, and have expressed it here (where BTW, we’ve been invited to express our opinions about the things Todd posts).  We are not even close to doing the same thing here as Mac has done in this article and in hundreds of other things he’s written and spoken publicly. 

    Mac’s primary audience is made up of every-day Christians who read his books and articles and listen to him on his radio show.  Through this platform, instead of helping them learn how to make decisions about influencers, he tells them who they should and should not read and listen to.  Then, he LITERALLY asks . . . no implores them to examine their own pastor.
    • Does he ever quote someone like RW, BH, Schuller, or any of the many people he’s decided are bad (and you are in big trouble if your pastor has anything to do with PDL),
    • Does he ever use the word “seeker”
    • Does he “disrespect” the pulpit (and the Lord) by dressing casual while preaching (like wearing a Hawaiian shirt)
    • Does he ever . . . .
    And with every thing he warns people about, he names people out there who are doing their ministry is this heinous manner.  He warns, “watch out that your pastor doesn’t turn into one of THEM.”

    Fishion, in regard to the division he creates in local churches, I know about what I speak.  In a previous church, after our pastor’s departure (moral failure) created a leadership void, a very zealous group of MacArthurites used this window of opportunity to save the church from those on staff who were taking us down the slippery seeker slope.  MacArthur quotes were more prevalent on the e-mails flying around the church than were bible quotes.  CD’s of MacArthur messages were everywhere.  Every statement we “seeker staff members” said was twisted, taken out of context while being sent around for public consumption and evaluation.  “Did you notice pastor so-and-so quoted what’s-his-name, and here is what John MacArthur says about that guy.” I was afraid to say or write anything.

    And sadly they succeed (though it was a bit more complicated, but not much more).  Four of us lost our jobs.  I was the newest, but one was a 23 year veteran who had, in their opinion, turned into a “seeker pastor.”

    Mac is causing terrible trouble in local churches.  It is right for us to warn people about his divisive behavior, for the sake of our churches.  Driscoll’s behavior, no matter how vulgar and inappropriate it might be, does not have the power to divide local congregations and turn people against their own leaders.  Mac’s behavior and use of his influence does.  Which is why I stand by my statement that it is a prostitution of his God-given platform.

    Wendi

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