“He at no point told us to beware of women as Church leaders, of divorced people, or of homosexuals.”

He also, at no point told us to beware of rapists, child molestors, and genocidal maniacs.  Should we then say that these are okay?

Brian L.

Right on, Brian.  Let’s call it the way it is, homosexuals, child molesters, women as church leaders, rapists, divorced people, genocidal manics, all the same, right?

in the last days god said people will call good evil and evil good, this is a good example, i have never heard such garbage in my life time, if these people want to believe a lie and be damed, what can you do, but when a preacher of the gospel tell these people that it is alright, should be run out of the pulpit with a buggy whip. the preacher is worse than they are , when the light that is in you is darkness how great is that darkness, god said not to judge them that is without, but you can judge them that SUPPOSE to be in, god said not to even eat with a person that calls their self a christian and do these evil things, put them out of the church , but if they repent then take them back in, homosexually is certainly a SIN,

Okay now, let’s not whip ourselves into a frenzy. There are in fact complex issues surrounding the translation of some key Greek terms (e.g. Paul’s malakoi and arsenokoitai). Further, given that the early Church cultural context is not our own, there are some valid issues to be raised.
Personally, I think a theology which emphasizes the Creation-New Creation trajectory of Scripture poses problems for the GLBT-affirming hermeneutic. But let’s not pretend like these brothers and sisters are a bunch of degenerates!!! Some of them might be, like some of us certainly are, but there is such a thing as honest disagreement folks.

Peace.

Deaubry, I appreciate your zeal, but I’m not the one who gets to define sin. Sin is sin, and we do our best to detect it and root it out. I think participating in war is sin, based on my reading of Jesus’ teachings. A number of Christians disagree. I strongly disagree with them, and I may choose not to associate with some of them, but I cannot allow myself to think of them as any more ‘reprobate’ than me.
I think they’re wrong, but I don’t think they’re being intellectually dishonest.

In the same way, I submit that we can vehemently disagree with the GLBT-affirming sexual ethic, while simultaneously affirming their intellectual integrity. Sometimes honest people just disagree. It doesn’t mean everybody’s right. Of course not. But it doesn’t mean that one person’s right and the other person is lying to themselves, or is being devious or deceitful in some way.

Am I making sense?

Let’s have our opinions without psychologizing the opposition.

Peace.
-Daniel-

i agree with you , we need christian love in action. i do not beleive that a person is born with this homosexual gene or what ever some people call it, i believe it is a evil spirit that influence or should i say lead them into this life style, god sure would not make them that way and then call it a sin. i also feel so sorry for them and its a heart felt sorrow, i just hate that satan is trying to take them down , and some preachers is in agreement with satan. that is what desturbes me about the whole thing.and if anyone tell them that being in that lifestyle is alright then they do not love them.

brian of course you care about him and love him, but do you believe that this life style is acceptable and blessed, satan will use our love for people our emotions to get to us , he will try to get us to agree with the wrong/sin, he has tried this on me in my own family, of course you love your family, but you hate the sin, i do not get tied up in arguements with my family members, but i can not compromise and loose my own soul,

when it comes down to sin in the Bible, God made it clear that sin cannot go unjudged. I like what Paul had to say to the church at Corinth (1 Corinthians 5:9-12) & (1 Corinthians 6:9-20).

the problem isn’t that God didn’t give us guideline, the problem is, we want to live by our own. What God called sin is sin…

consider: Galatians 5:19-21; Revelation 21:8;

freinds of the world are enemies of God…

It is so sad how most of us, try to make being Christian convenient. It is inconvenient. It always has been and always will. We are suppose to feed the poor, be generous with those less fortunate. (Luke 10:33-35 Matthew 5:1-16, Romans 12:20, Mathew 25:14-30.) We are blessed though for caring and obeying (Mathew 25:45). We do these corporal works of mercy because we discipline our flesh. (Genesis 4:7, 2 Sammuael 3:21, Romans 6:12)
We can try to kid ourselves with words that this or that is not sin. We lie though. The Bible says clearly:
1 Cor 6:9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

One could argue the word homosexual was not translated very well. It’s a weak argument. God spelled it out well for us though in Romans 1:
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Christianity is not about us. It is about Jesus. Is isn’t convenient. It is about us loving him more then we love our bodies and our will. We own him our life. Love him, do his will even unto death.