So, the only style of music that Jesus likes is the kind of church music we did in the 50s? Why? Because, I hate to tell you, but many people like it, and that would make it man-centered, wouldn’t it? Shouldn’t we find a syle everybody hates? (Then again, I’ve heard a handful of hymns that I think everyone might hate...)

I haven’t tried to dialog with A Little Leaven, but I have recently attempted (just so I could say in good conscience that I did) to do so with Slice on this very issue among others. I think as soon as she figured out that I was the same Peter Hamm who posted here (I first went by only my first name, but then, as is my custom, switched to my full name) Ingrid stopped approving my posts. I’m sure A Little Leaven would, too, so I don’t have time to try.

I guess there is only wisdom in a multitude of counsellors if they all agree with you. I guess iron doesn’t really sharpen iron. (Ingrid, if you’re reading this, I would LOVE to know why posts that are not inflammatory and are filled with a respectful tone get eliminated. If you only listen to those who agree with you, you will become very insulated and, actually, less able to defend those things you hold dear.)

In short, the response seems to me to be reactionary nonsense.

Peter says: “I guess there is only wisdom in a multitude of counsellors if they all agree with you. I guess iron doesn’t really sharpen iron. (Ingrid, if you’re reading this, I would LOVE to know why posts that are not inflammatory and are filled with a respectful tone get eliminated. If you only listen to those who agree with you, you will become very insulated and, actually, less able to defend those things you hold dear.)”

Oh Peter, how one sided you can be.  Below is a comment on music I posted a few weeks back, on the “STYLE” of music that Perry Nobles church was offering up. Do you know what happened Peter? It was deleted without explanation. Why do you suppose that is? Everyone slams people like Ingrid for her topics on music, saying it’s all about style and not content.  I show a clear example of the content behind much of the man centered churches are offering up, and low and behold, there is no defense, so let’s just simply delete it huh?

On the subject of music, here’s the example I posted regarding the efforts of a church trying to “connect with culture” as Perry Noble offers up their version of “American Idol” bringing in songs “Friends in low places” and “Brick House”.  Read the following lyrics to “Brick House”, which they had sung in their church.

Verse:1. She knows she got everything
a woman needs to get a man, yeah.
How can she use, the things she use
36-24-36, what a winning hand!

Verse:
2. The clothes she wears, the sexy ways,
make an old man wish for younger days
She knows she’s built and knows how to please
Sure enough to knock a man to his knees.

Yep, really connecting with culture there, that’s for sure! 

And read the outcry of those, expecially offended (and rightfully so) women, who wrote into Tony Morgans blog, one of the Pastors who was “ir” responsible for the vulgar presentation.

http://www.tonymorganlive.com/tony_morgan_one_of_the_si/2007/04/box_score_for_a_3.html.

By the way, he closed comments when it wasn’t going his way.

Exactly right, Peter.  And that’s why some of Kent’s comments have been deleted in the past.  Matter of fact, I think I actually asked Kent to refrain from commentting ONLY because of the tone of his commenting.  (That’s a nice way to say he was one of the three or four on my banned commenters list).

Some of you were here in the past when there were a whole group of people who railed against everything we discussed here at MMI.  Those days are no more because I took control of the forum from people like this.  It was killing the freedom of those who wanted to comment (who didn’t want to take all the abuse).

And those of you who still read know that we still have quite a few people who disagree… but they do so respectfully.  (This week’s discussion on alcohol was a great example). They are respectful of other people and of the site owner (that’s me).

Bottom line… Some of what you say, Kent, could add real value to the discussion.  The way you say it, though, doesn’t.  That’s the difference.

I think that Peter’s point is that, on the other side of the fence… the way you say it really doesn’t matter.  If you disagree, your’re shut down.  And I think your last comments (that you’re talking about that I deleted) were probably the last ones I’ve had to delete.  It’s a very rare thing.

OK… back on topic.  This was a Friday humor post.  Let’s treat it as such.

Have a great weekend.

Todd

WOW! I may be in the minority but I have always been concerned with the whole “Many venues, one campus” movement. This piece of satire is an example why - does creating “unique and personalized” worship experiences based on peoples musical preferences advance the mission of the church or (this is just my opinion) does it dilute our identity as a body and create divisions of “us” and “them”? In every bit of humor there is a little truth - this truth is one that has concerned me for a while now.

“And I think your last comments (that you’re talking about that I deleted) were probably the last ones I’ve had to delete.  It’s a very rare thing”.

Todd, with so many Post, I’m sure it’s hard to remember everything. But there was someone else, “Jennifer” I believe who posted the same concerns about the music at Perry’s church as well.  And by no means was the tone bad. Yet… it was deleted just the same.

Leonard says “the reason I responded to you was your tone and willingness to condemn people over situations you were not even there to wittness”. 

Leonard, One does not have to witness first hand an event for it to have happened.  Was slavery made up, and not truly exist in this country because you were not there to witness it?  Is it therefore condemning to call slavery wrong because you weren’t there to see it personally? We are not required to see something personally Leonard to comment on it and make a judgement as to whether it is right or wrong.

The event in question did happen, it’s not denied by the one who promoted it, it was in church and it was wrong.  Was I there? No. Did I have to be there for it to happen, for it to be wrong? Absolutley not. And by the way Leonard, it’s on YouTube.

Leonard,

You jump around like a wet oily fish trying to defend what is clearly unbiblical.  Then, when the discussion reaches a point where you can no longer defend something on it’s own merrits, you result to personal attacks to boost yourself, I’ve seen it in other post as well.