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People WILL Turn on You

Orginally published on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 at 7:43 AM
by Todd Rhoades

Steven Furtick had a great post today on the subject: "People will turn on you". Steven wrote:

Mark this: People will turn on you. They just will. You’re not the exception. I’m a young man, but I’ve lived long enough to see:

--Children turn on their natural parents, who loved them an did an above average job raising them
--Staff members turn on their pastors…and yank half the donor base out from under the church in the process
--Pastors turn on their congregations, committing unthinkable acts of immorality and deceit
--Husbands turn on faithful wives of 24 years because the girl at the office made him feel young, funny, and relatively attractive.

I'm wondering... what has been the most astounding 'turn' you have experienced in ministry... and, if you're big enough to admit it: have you ever turned on anybody... and why?

And, even more importantly… how do you respond when you have a ‘turner’ on your hands?

Read Steven’s full post here...


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  There are 9 Comments:

  • Posted by

    This is an interesting post, because he lumped several different categories together into one topic, when they should be dissected one by one, because each presents such varying circumstances:

    “--Children turn on their natural parents, who loved them an did an above average job raising them”

    This could be plain rebelliousness, in violation of the Fifth Commandment, but could also be the guarantee of Jesus that His Word would cause division even within a family (Matthew 10:35).

    “--Staff members turn on their pastors…and yank half the donor base out from under the church in the process”

    Yarrrrr!  Be ye referring to the post about, “Church Pirates,” ye scallywag?

    “--Pastors turn on their congregations, committing unthinkable acts of immorality and deceit”

    This topic can range from incidences in the news to exploring more of 1 Timothy and Titus to see why there are so many unqualified pastors in the pulpits (or behind the music stands) today.

    “--Husbands turn on faithful wives of 24 years because the girl at the office made him feel young, funny, and relatively attractive.”

    Again, there is so much area for discussion here, from fleeing from lustful desires, to men in the news, to a discussion about how men and women should work together.

    Yes, people will turn on you, but this is a real broad-brush discussion here.

    --
    CS

  • Posted by Peter Hamm

    My turns have been small, thank God… so I’m bracing myself for a big one. I think some decisions I’ve made have been seen as “turning” when in fact they were not, though.

    Why is it, for instance, that when I moved from my last church (where I was a volunteer) to this post, where I am employed by this church, in a move that all around me were convinced was God-ordained, that my former pastor never called or emailed me again.

    I guess I turned?

  • Posted by

    The post isn’t directed to those who have turned, or might turn.  It acknowledges that there is sin in the world, and is about how the sins of others impacts us spiritually.

    It’s downright discouraging at times to see how Christians act.  I’m a half century old, have been in church since I was a week old, and I believe I have a mature view of human nature.  But it never ceases to amaze me to observe how often Christians self-justify the most heinous sin that even unbelievers recognize as wrong.  It’s good to be reminded of the dangers of allowing bitterness and mistrust to take root.  It’s a struggle every day for some of us, especially who have worked for years in various churches and ministries and been privy to the extent of it.

  • Posted by

    Ruminated a bit further on this; perhaps it’s fruitful to explore the times we may have turned and consider how our sin affected others. 

    Then again, I’ve had an experience where I was accused of being a turncoat when, in fact, I was doing my job and acting on the directions of the elder board.  I didn’t initiate the actions of the board, although I must say that I privately agreed with them and was relieved when they came to me with specific questions and asking for specific documents.  That was almost fifteen years ago, and when I encountered that “pastor” on the street recently, he greeted me but was still very unfriendly.

  • Posted by Camey

    how do you respond when you have a ‘turner’ on your hands?

    First of all, I have to realize that “a turner” is not necessarily turning from me. Sure, I may be the person it appears they are turning from… but more than likely - it is spiritual.

    Good example of this was during the years I was ill. One person in particular totally walked away from me. We had been tight in walking through life’s moments together which included serving God. It stung like a butterfly and stinged like a bee. Years later, and after I was completely healed - she came back and apologized.  Her real issues were not with me. She was having a crisis of faith.

    Facing a turner lately.... and while the details I will not go into… I can say - I know that God is using this in a mighty way. It will be for His glory alone even in the tears that are shed a long the way.

  • Posted by

    Humility is always a huge rule when handling someone whom we feel has turned on us.  Hurt is often a first response which leads to anger but when we choose humility it helps us be angry without sin. 

    Having had a lot of turners over the years I also have had to examine my own motives and grip on people.  No pastor or leader can afford to have to tight a grip on anything other than God. 

    Betrayal is the kind of harm that can take years to to overcome.  I have tried to set in motion in my life what I call “preforgiveness” I simply decide that in every relationship that you are already forgiven so if or when I am harmed or betrayed I can function from a solid place of Grace and Truth.  It works well most of the time but I have to do this on purpose. 

    Kind of an Ephesians 4:32 rule I might say.

  • Posted by

    I have found in over 25 years of ministry that most turners are deeply wounded.  That has helped a bit to know that those who hurt are usually the most hurting.

    Not that it makes it less painful!

    I’ve also learned to not let the person or issue get me hooked.  It’s easy to get sucked into having to defend yourself.

    So, finding the heart of the issue and sticking with it without getting sucked into the stuff around it, is always the best road in the long run.

    The difficult part for me, is if the turner attacks my children.  Then watch out for Mama Bear!

  • Posted by Kim

    I’d never experienced a severe turning until several years ago, and because it was someone I considered a good and faithful friend - someone I trusted - it was brutal, lemmetellya.  I won’t go into details, only to say that I agree with other commenters - the turner in my situation wasn’t turning on “me” necessarily - although that’s what it felt like.  It was, and still is, a spiritual turning, and a desperate measure of self-preservation on the turner’s part.  How I responded?  It was difficult - but like another commenter said, recognizing the heart of the issue, taking the high road and trying to not get sucked into the downward spiral of defending myself was the best course of action.  Recognizing that God knows the truth and was (still is) in control of the situation has given me a measure of peace - to the point that I can still pray for the turner in my life and continue to extend grace.  I even still pray for reconciliation.  God loves us both equally.

  • Posted by

    My wife has turned me on...oops.  Oh.  Turned on me.  Well, never mind.

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