Rick Warren Meets Stephen Colbert
OK... this is a little odd; but apparently Rick Warren was a guest on The Colbert Report with Stephen Colbert last week. Rick's critics are already all over him for his appearance; but I thought it was good... not much substance; but it was less than five minutes long. Colbert was in full character, and Warren even got a chance to call him a doofus. The comments at You Tube are an interesting read (on your lunch hour of course). Until then... enjoy...
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Jesus was criticized for hanging out with “sinners”. Anytime we reach behond the comfortable bounds of the “righteous”, we will be too.
PS. The Video clip says, “no longer available.
“We’re sorry, this video is no longer available”
I’m guessing it was removed from YouTube because its copyrighted.
It is on the Comedy Central site:
http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/?lnk=v&ml_video=148506
It looked as though Rick wasn’t ready for the question. I’m almost certain from the looks of it that he was caught totally off guard. What’s interesting to me is that the question was asked. This is a question that people are asking, and that the church is ignoring.
The Pharisees brought a woman caught in the act of adultery to Jesus, saying, “the law of Moses says we must stone her, what do you say?” And Jesus, pointedly says, “let you who is without sin cast the first stone.”
It’s crazy to me that as a church we are ignoring these vital questions that people are asking. We must start answering their questions if we ever want to be effective in reaching the lost and hurting people in our community.
I am always appreciative of venues that allow us to interact with those people whom God desires to save. I was a bit disappointed, at the end, that Rick stated that God gains pleasure in his children being who they are created to be and then seemed to imply that God created Colbert as a “doofus.” I do not envy the extemporaneous speaking environment that Warren found himself in, but I wonder if he really desired to say that God took pleasure in Colbert being a “doofus?”
Admittedly easy to throw stones at someone who we have the opportunity to analyze from the comfort of our desks. Plus, the pressure of “trying to be funny” adds a whole other twist to the conversation. In that respect, I felt that Pastor Warren held his own.
What I fault him for—and this may be more of a criticism of Warren’s ministry at large and less of his Colbert appearance—is not emphasizing Jesus Christ as exclusive, factual and supreme.
It seems very incomplete to say that God wants us to be what we were created to be. That’s true ... but what is it that we were created to be? That’s got to be more than simply being creative, funny, smart, a doofus or whatever personality/character traits we’ve been granted by God.
The Bible makes it clear that we were created to love and worship God and, because of sin, that cannot happen. That is, until God spoke in the most perfect and glorious manner possible (Hebrews 1:2) to mankind through the image of His glory—Jesus Christ and until that Christ was a propitiation/atonement/sacrifice for my sins and until I accept that truth as the ultimate reality.
But then, (stepping off the soapbox ...) it was the Colbert show, and they were pimping a book because Colbert couldn’t get guests due to the writer’s strike ...
I, too, appreciate Rick’s willingness to engage someone whose “purpose” is to make fun of whoever is on his show. Did he do a great job? He seemed a little uncertain to me, but what a difficult venue! When he was allowed to just talk, I think he did well defining in a sound bite what God is about and our lives are to be about (more time on the other side of eternity than on this side), but he seemed to me a little surprised by Colbert’s knowledge of religious things....which is not a good thing. As was said earlier--non-Christians want the answer to the hard questions and we need to be ready to answer. If even one person got curious about a different God than they imagined or was taken by Rick’s casual demeanor if they grew up in a church that was legalistic, I think he was a success in a difficult venue.
You guys don’t really know Rick Warren or his ministry at all. I’ve attended his church for 2 years, and he preaches the gospel without watering it down at all. He preaches the truth. People can criticize his methods, but you can’t deny that between his church, books, and TV appearances, hundreds of thousands have come to know Christ, or at least hear the message.
Stephen Colbert is a comedian, and his entire show is meant to be a farce. Rick is a funny guy and played along. Stuffy, judgmental Christians/Pharisees always judge Rick and other pastors who meet the world where they are and engage in dialogue with them.
When was the last time YOU were asked to be on national television, and were able to use that time to talk about Jesus.
I appreciate much of Rick’s ministry, and thing PDL and PDC are valuable contributions to the kingdom. I just wish he’d capitalize on the opportunity to present a clear gospel. Just like Joel Osteen missed an opportunity on Larry King. By clear gosepel, something like Jesus died, according to the scriptures, and was buried and rose again, according to the scriptures.
apparantly my keyboard is still high after the Giants win in the Super Bowl. change, “thing” to think and “gosepel” to gospel..
I worked on staff at Saddleback for 5 years. Anyone who attacks Rick about doctrine has never talked to Rick. He is a man who loves God, loves his wife, loves his children, and I am sure loves his grandchildren. (His children were still young when I was there.) While he is not perfect, he is a man who is working to “flesh out Jesus” to those who need to know Him. If the “attackers” spent their time trying to reach those who don’t know Jesus instead of attacking Pastor Rick, churches with the reach of Saddleback would become common place. God bless you Pastor Rick and may God continue to use you for many more years to come!
I believe that time for Rick was really short. You can only say so much within about 5 minutes. We can all be arm chair quarterbacks on this. He let the question of stoning gays slide by without any response… He also redefined fundamentalist. A better approach would be to say, “I believe in the fundamentals of the faith such as salvation by grace through Jesus Christ, etc...” Other than that, I believe he did a commendable interview.
the only criticism I have against Warren, is that he’s an idiot. He has confused elegance with stupidity, Einstein spoke about elegance in a theory in which the complex can be understood, that is not to be confused with the trend in our culture to simplify everything to very stupid statements. Warren wasn’t taken by surprise, he can’t answer a question unless its at a first grade reading level. He’s an idiot, being followed by a whole other bunch of idiots.
“Stuffy, judgmental Christians/Pharisees always judge Rick and other pastors who meet the world where they are and engage in dialogue with them”
Exactly......
I dont think Rick cares less about your critical comments, he is too busy doing what Jesus asked him to do, and does not have the time to be ‘keyboard warriors’ like some others.
First, I really think it is great Ric was on the show.
I don’t think I would change anything. I don’t think there is any doubt when reading his books, looking at his church, listening to his messages that he believes Jesus is supreme, factual or the only way.
I do not think information about Jesus has to be squeezed into every conversation in order for him to be faithful. I have heard him many times in the public arena state the Gospel very clearly, but here would have merely been squeezing it into a comedians routine. This shows discernment if anything.
oliver, who put the burr under your saddle
Oliver,
Watch your heart!!! Scripture gives us this warning.
“But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” Matthew 5:22 (NIV)
David
Regular Colbert viewers already know that Colbert was raised Catholic. Without getting into people’s hangups about Catholicism, he’s rattled off the Nicene Creed on his show more than once, and argued against Richard Dawkins when he was a guest (one can even spot moments when he breaks character during that one). So Rick looking “surprised” at Colbert’s knowledge isn’t a surprise for his regular audience.
He’s also had Tony Campolo on before, whom he let speak at some length about how Jesus isn’t a part of any political party.
So while many Christians are getting all uppity about Warren’s appearance with a “sinner,” more diehard Colbert watchers probably aren’t that surprised because 1) he’s shown some semblance of a committed faith before, even if it isn’t wrapped in the traditional “acceptable” package, and 2) he’s had Christian figureheads on before.
Oliver,
Your the only one who makes sense right now. Apparently God has his favorites and Rick Warren is one of them. Probably also gets a little of the royalties from “The Purpose Driven Life” as well.
People will believe and buy just about anything you put in front of them..
Oliver -
Perhaps Rick is an idiot. I dunno. Maybe that makes me one too. But I’d much rather be an idiot than a jerk. Is there really a need to so blatantly slam the guy like that here? At least I’ve never seen malice and flat out meanness come out of his mouth.
So between him and you, I’m guessing he’s a better reflection of Jesus.
The guy was on the show promoting his book. He stood true by the inerrancy of the Word.
Now let’s all give back our past salaries to the church and 90% of what we make in the future.
I live only a couple of miles from Saddleback Church, and I was always scared of going to that church. Why? Because it really look like a money grubbing church like some of the others I have seen out there.
So I went, and gave it a chance…
I don’t know if you know much about this pastor, but he is one of the most giving, helping, and selfless people I have ever met. If you only knew how much time and effort is given to the community and the world (Rwanda comes to mind) from him and those that attend the church, you wouldn’t be so quick to judge. No, I have not read his book, but I plan to. I attend the services at Saddleback every week as well.
I don’t think he could have done better, why? Because a “comedy” show picks and chooses what they want to show. The interview may have been 20 minutes long, but they have cut and played what they wanted to show. Maybe he did talk about all the things you wish he would have, but even if he did you wouldn’t have seen it because it ended up on the cutting room floor (so to speak).
I went to several protestant churches in my area before I found this one. No one really taught how and why to reach out to others to help as much as this one, “Love on your fellow man”. I regret thinking that Saddleback Church was bad place to go just because it was a big church, I missed out on a lot of good services.
BTW, don’t feed the trolls (*ahem*Oliver*ahem*)
I just came from Saturday service here at Saddleback church. When Pastor Rick speaks, I listen. If you are serious about spiritual growth then this is the right church and the perfect pastor for you. Just looking at the Saddleback campus makes you think that this Pastor and his equally passionate staff, worked tirelessly to be where it is today -big on spreading the Good News, serving the world with outreach ministries and giving to the less fortunate whenever needed (not just during the holidays). He is a great leader in his domain with proven and documented accomplishments and for someone to call him an “idiot” is utterly senseless. Perhaps Oliver is a half-wit creep, and a criminal jerk rolled into one - who lives a life of no purpose.
My Pastor has been preaching a series on the basics of Christianity and the greatest commandment--to love God and to love people. That we are to be identified by how we love each other and love a lost and dying world. As I read these comments, I am struck by the thought of why would the world want any part of what we have to say? They have plenty of people to call them names, criticize them, etc. If we can’t even be loving and respectful as Brothers and Sisters in Christ, even when we disagree, what do we have to offer the world that doesn’t know our God of love? We can agree or disagree about Rick Warren and his appearance on this show, but we do not have the right to name call and be unloving to each other if we call ourselves Christ Followers. I don’t think it is what Jesus would have done, even if he disagreed with Rick!
Kim:
Not to necessarily defend some of the language used here, but we have to be true to Scripture.
“I don’t think [name calling] is what Jesus would have done, even if he disagreed with Rick!”
Jesus called out Herod in public with pretty sharp language. In Luke 13:32, Jesus said, “Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.”
Don’t forget that Jesus didn’t hold His tongue when he took on the religious elements of His days. Jesus also called the Pharisees a “brood of vipers,” “whited sepulchres,” and, “hypocrites.”
Other pieces of the New Testament also use creative language in describing false prophets, teachers, and leaders, such as in the Book of Jude, where some people are called, “brute beasts,” “clouds without water,” and “twice dead” trees.
So, would Jesus have used harsh language in talking about Rick Warren, assuming he is doing things contrary to Scripture or God’s Will? There is a possibility. Should we? Not necessarily. But if we believe Warren to be a false teacher, with proof, should we say so in public and call him out? Absolutely.
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