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So…These Two Pastors Walk Into a Bar…

Orginally published on Sunday, February 03, 2008 at 5:23 PM
by Todd Rhoades

Beyond the darts arcing through the smoky air, apparently unaffected by the heavy bass throbbing through speakers, the Rev. Chuck Kish tapped at the keyboard of his laptop, a tall, cool glass of Diet Coke near at hand, as the Friday night crowd milled around at the Market Cross Pub in downtown Carlisle, PA. A few tables away, Kish's counterpart, Carol Wetzel, sat and waited through the evening, just in case somebody felt the need to talk. Nobody did, except for a couple of reporters and photographers. Friday was the first night of Kish's plan to put clergy in Carlisle-area bars one night a month to listen to those in need. "It's going to take time," Kish said. "It's going to take time, and one person at a time coming over just to chat and learn to trust. This is going to work. I know it is." Kish, a senior pastor at the Bethel Assembly of God in Carlisle, set up the pilot program at the Market Cross Pub after talking to owner Jeff Goss.

Wetzel, who works as an administrative assistant at the church, signed on and has become a chaplain in the cause.

“I just felt called to do it,” said Wetzel, 55. “When he talked about it in church that day, it was like the spirit just leapt at me. I want to reach out to people. I want them to unload their troubles to me.”

Kish and Wetzel said they weren’t there to preach the gospel or go on about the dangers of alcohol.

“Sometimes when people go to a bar, they’ve got something weighing on their minds, and what they really need is somebody who is not going to be judgmental to talk to and help them,” Kish said.

“I don’t have a problem” with chaplains in the bar,” said Market Cross patron Mike Dean, 33, of Carlisle. “My uncle was a Baptist preacher. It probably gives them an extra outlet for reaching people.”

An story on Kish’s plan ran in The Patriot-News on Jan. 26. The story was picked up by news organizations around the world.

Kish thinks he knows why a story about a pastor hanging out in a bar has such resonance.

“When you become a Christian, you’re told to burn those bridges that connected you to that world you are walking away from,” he said. “But sometimes the churches forget to tell you that once you’ve recovered and become strong, you need to rebuild those bridges so you can re-enter that world and share your light.”

He sees his ministry as being at the core of what his faith is about.
You can read more here in the Patriot-News...

What do you think of this new approach to ministry?  I’d love to hear your thoughts…


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  There are 32 Comments:

  • Posted by

    ...not really sure technique matters much when God is involved.  Kudos to those who go and do SOMETHING, ANYTHING.

  • Posted by Camey

    “So.... these two pastors walk into a bar....”

    This sounds like it could be Friday… wink

  • Posted by

    This article caught my eye. I am a Salvation Army Officer (pastor). The Salvation Army was founded in “Dickensonian” Victorian England when a young Methodist minister named William Booth could no longer endure the horrendous conditions in which the poor of East London lived. Alcoholism was rampant, and children were included in the number who “bellied up to the bar” to forget about the grim reality of their lives.

    The early Army responded by what we would now call “embracing the culture”. Early Salvationists - including those here in the US - regularly ministered in bars. Young Salvation Army “Lassies” went into the bars to sell War Cry magazines and collect for the work they were doing among the poor.

    The Salvation Army was so successful in those beginning years that it became the target of a vicious parody called the “Skeleton Army” which was made up of thigs hired by angry pub owners who were seeing a definite decline in alcohol sales as a result of the Salvationists’ evangelism.

    Sadly - in recent years - our Salvation Army has become “respectable”. We fought long and hard to be recognized as a normal, denominational “church” and laid down a vital part of our identity which is now being picked up by others and touted as a cutting edge approach to outreach, evangelism, and ministry.We who once shunned owning property beccause we didn’t want to get too comfortable are in the process of rediscovering our incarnational, missional heritage and trying to turn the Titanic around and return to our roots.

    All that to say - Go For It!! I think it’s a wonderful ministry!

  • The only one with any insight was CS. I particularly laughed at the “Woman Pastor” that hangs out in the bar.If that is not asking for trouble but it is not a good idea for anyone to do it.
    We are told not to cast our pearls before swine. We have taken what is holy and made it a mockery. I am sure you believe this is a great concept but Jesus never went to the bar or the local brothel, He spoke to those people but certainly not when they were working.
    Additionally, you go into a bar and NOT preach the Gospel. This sounds like a liberal, let’s go hold the drunks hand as he spits out his story.
    Jesus called them a generation of Vipers.
    I think we better leave the feel good driven Church and get back to the biblical way of serving Christ.
    That’s my take on it and I do not apologize.

  • Posted by Peter Hamm

    Pastor Jack,

    Jesus was the friend of sinners. He went to Matthew’s party. “Hanging out in a bar” does not have to even come CLOSE to accepting sinful lifestyles. But if we stay in our churches and wait for them to come to us… It won’t happen. And that doesn’t seem to be the way Jesus did it at all.

  • Brother Peter, you miss the point. Jesus did not go to whore house, crack dens or hashish parlours. He went to the people.
    Here in Payatas we walk throughout the poorest of poor areas where houses are built with scraps of tin and wood and even sometimes cardboard. There are places without running water or sewers. We go to them every week with the Gospel, with food, with clothes, we opened a medical facility and people see Jesus because we love them out loud. All people see when you go to a bar is that you are sinking to a new level.
    We can write thes blogs until we are blue in the face. Instead of going to a bar with a laptop, sell the laptop and send a few bucks over here to really help people who have not walked into a bar but are fighting to save their families lives.
    I get chain letters all the time of great men who carve things out of soap and if I send this letter to 10 people in 3 minutes I will be blessed.
    Let’s stop being sissy Christians Go to my site, see the real world and send $5 or a thousand or a million or if you are really poor send one dollar. We can get you all to write a million words with much philosophical content but where’s the beef?.

  • Posted by Laptoper

    So this popes is fake!

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