Orginally published on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 at 6:20 AM
by Todd Rhoades
Check out this quote from Tony Perrottet:
"Somehow the human race survived the Middle Ages, no mean feat when you consider how much literature was out there condemning sex. Church thinkers like Saint Jerome announced that carnal relations were “filthy” even within the bounds of holy matrimony: “The wise man should love his wife with cool discretion,” Jerome opined, “not with hot desire… Nothing is nastier than to love your own wife as if she were your mistress.” Intercourse for procreation was tolerable, the holy fathers begrudgingly admitted, but anyone who indulged in sex because they were in love or seeking physical pleasure was on a fast track to damnation."
You can read the full sordid details here...
(and the details ARE sordid… they would make Ingrid blush, not to mention every pastor that’s ever done a ‘sex series’. Even might offend some sailors. But this is what some of the early church leaders apparently published.
I love how he ends the piece though:
“By the 1400s, it seems, the Church had to give up on such detailed analyses, possibly because the congregation was beginning to get ideas.”
I thought this piece was interesting. I haven’t done ‘the research’ to see if this is all factual, but it is interesting the views some early church leaders had about sex.
Is there anything that today’s church is teaching on sex that sounds this ludicrous?
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The church in those days taught that sexual expression as pleasure or love was an enemy of the spiritual life.
Today it’s often presented as the “gateway to a spiritual life” - or at least as a gateway to get people inside a church while we show them that God isn’t a prude. Not as ludicrous, I suppose, but at times it borders on the “Gimme a break” category.
I teach ethics, and one of the observations I have made is that we Evangelicals, until a couple of years ago, are completely stuck on sex and its aftermath as THE ethical issue. Part of this is due to changes in culture, to be sure. But where is the balance. Teaching from a book titled Evangelical Ethics (good for what it covers), there is NO mention of the words “poor,” “widows,” “orphans,” “justice,” or “social” - not even to oppose those who camp out there.
My point (and I have one) is that our biggest danger is to mirror the culture rather than transform it by making sex more than it is. The “old guys,” including Augustine, wanted to make it less than it was. I fear we’ve swung to the other extreme.
Seems reminiscent of how Muslims repress, yet look at sex doesn’t it?
One of my friends went to Saudi Arabia and was shocked at how many lingerie stores there were.
Pretty sad that in the name of piety something beautiful and God created is turned into ugliness.
It’s interesting that anal sex with an adult male was punished more harshly than anal sex with a young boy.
Also, sex with the woman on top was just as bad as sodomy, again, except in the case of sodomy with a young boy. In that case anal sex with a young boy was not as bad as sex with the woman on top. Crazy.
The last line of the study, about the congregation getting ideas, reminds me of a joke, try to work this one in on Sunday morning…
“Bless me Father, for I have sinned.
I have been with a loose girl”.
The priest asks, “Is that you, little Joey Pagano?”
“Yes, Father, it is
“And who was the girl you were with?”
“I can’t tell you, Father, I don’t want to ruin
her reputation”
Well, Joey, I’m sure to find out her name sooner
or later so you may as well tell me now.
Was it Tina Minetti?”
“I cannot say.”
“Was it Teresa Mazzarelli?”
“I’ll never tell.”
“Was it Nina Capelli?”
“I’m sorry, but I cannot name her.”
“Was it Cathy Piriano?”
“My lips are sealed.”
“Was it Rosa DiAngelo, then?”
“Please, Father, I cannot tell you.” The priest sighs in frustration. “You’re very tight lipped, and I admire that. But you’ve sinned and have to atone. You cannot be an altar boy now for 4 months. Now you go and behave yourself.” Joey walks back to his pew, and his friend Franco slides over and whispers , “What’d you get?”
“Four months vacation and five good leads.”
I, too, am baffled by the idea that the church would officially consider homosexual sex (with an adult male) worse than child molestation (sex with a male child). At least we have apparently made some progress since 1400. Although I have a feeling that some people would still agree with this assessment from 1400.
Our church has taught (in an appropriate setting) that sex between a husband and wife is good in that it strengthens the bond between them and can bring them closer together. And outside the boundaries of marriage it is sin.
But no Kama Sutra-like details – I guess we’re just not as progressive as the church was in the Middle Ages.
Todd, I’m inclined to think this is factually correct. The penitential books were very explicit. While this became somewhat legalistic over time, the original idea was for the penance to be the same everywhere--since confessors were supposed to be as ‘objective’ as possible (as well as as discerning as possible).
The comments on this thread about the obsession over sex is quite right. Too often we’ve let the culture dictate how we think about sex. It makes it very difficult to talk about singleness seriously. How many evangelicals today really contemplate celibacy as something God might be calling them to? And yet marriage is just as hard as celibacy (if not harder)! The craving for sex (typically fueled by TV, the internet, and other forms of more or less ‘soft’ porn) drives many young Christians to assume that only weirdos aren’t called to marriage.
It’s sad.
All that being said, I do have to confess to enjoy living in a Church age where sex is no longer viewed as intrinsically immoral or problematic, but rather as a good (though dangerous--like alcohol!) gift from God.
Cheers,
-Daniel-
What rhymes with Coital? I can’t come up with a clever sermon title without a rhyme.
Is there some deliberate misunderstanding of Augustine here? “Taking” your wife, to use her to satisfy yourself first and foremost, is certainly not a model of sacramental marriage, and I see his “hot desire” to be descriptive of that mentality. The Church is well aware of the beauty of the unique intimacy of the act of marital love, and for every cranky Augustinal sentence there are a hundred counselling patience, love and generosity in the same act.
Read just a little, if you would - it’s all out there for you on the Internet!
This past Sunday I preached a sermon that was week three in a question and answers series. It was loosely based on the 2004 series by Craig Goeshel from Lifechurch. And we discussed sex. Our youth have had a history of sexually acting out. I preached that mariage should be honored and that God had & has blessed marriage and that if one is not married one should refrain from sexual relations. I used Craig’s questions and answers with some modifications, but pretty straightforward.
I preached that sex should be reserved for within marriage. The problem was that I mentioned sex at all.
I also giggled too much with the children during the children’s time. We do something called, “Stump the Pastor.” The kids bring an item from home and I make up an object lesson from what’s in the bag. This week, I got a “belly button lint duster” from a family who just came home from vacation. I just got the giggles. When I composed myself, I said that this is like what the blood of Christ has done for us. Like this duster which cleans a part of our body which no one sees, Christ cleans the darkest, deepest parts of our hearts and souls that no one can see. We may look good to the world, but the dark crevices where only God can see, only Jesus can get in there and really clean us out.
Appararently, my preaching about sex within marriage and laughing with the children destroyed the sanctity of the worship and some of the elders what me fired.
Oy, what a week I’m having and it is only Monday....
Any advice or cheer…
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