The gift of faith?  I wonder where he finds that in the Scriptures.

1 Corinthians 12:9 to be exact - you know, the duplicity in this thread sometimes is really amazing. MMI is often criticized for the discussion and trumpeting of unconventional methods by sites like Laodicea and then MMI will turn right around and slam another ministry for the same reason. Follow the advice of Gamaliel and refrain from your sweeping judgments. You certainly do not appreciate when new paradigm works are summarily dismissed.

Eric you sound so wise, you must have been raised well.

I love that the way, it seems, to heal anyone, is to violently physically abuse someone.  I mean, who knew that pushing people over, slamming them to the ground, and booting them in the head would cure diabetes, tumors, and rheumatoid arthritis? 

So, I guess the next time someone makes you mad, you can do a pile driver and say that you were really offering up a divine healing.

Unbelievable. 

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AH,
Great insight. I am sure Todd has a very good excuse [oops, reason]. The Pot and the Kettle seem to be of the same mold after all.
fishon

Danny asked about the gift of Faith.  Read 1 Corinthians 12 (9 Gifts)

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 1 that he did not want us to be ignorant about spiritual gifts.  Ignorance is what lets people get taken advantage of by religious leaders and what fosters statements like “well, if god might be in it, I wouldn’t want to say anything against it.” To err on the side of caution is to still be in error.  Stuff like the video and I did look up other things around the revival thrives because we refuse to sit down and read the word, study the word, dig into the word and then use the word for discernment.  In other words we remain ignorant about spiritual gifts and when someone flashy guy knocks people over, blaming the Holy Spirit, people simply refuse to see anything outside of experience. 

It is not that I do not believe in miracles and healing, I just find the stuff I saw on the video a bit outrageous.

It is more of the same.

Different players, same old tired drama. People are chasing after the spectacular and calling it spiritual. 

I wish that people would quit chasing after a “move of God.” We need the “fruit” of the Spirit to move through the body.  I will trade fruit for gifts any day.

I’ll tell you what is supernatural: When we serve others, help others, forgive others, love others, and expect nothing in return.

An exploding tumor?  An elderly lady who falls under the ‘power of God’ at the moment of boot on nose impact?  A (chinese) man who is knocked backward and has a tooth removed by the fist or the floor? Is this a dental miracle or merely a dental issue?  I am not buying any of it until I have evidence of the miracles.  I do believe in miracles, am not convinced of the stories.

Not sure about Todd or his methods.

But the day is coming, if not already here that signs and wonders will abound in the earth. Jesus Promised it. Actually just read it today in my one year bible.

John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

Jesus did all kinds of signs and wonders and promises that “anyone who has faith in him” “WILL” do what He was doing and even greater things. 

I believe the signs and wonders are supernatural and natural like gifts of serving, fasting, giving, etc.

Maybe, just maybe, it’s those who don’t believe in the supernatural weird stuff are the people that might have it wrong? hmmm something to think about!

Why do we have to choose between fruit and gifts?  It seems to me that a more scriptural interpretation is that we should have both.  Part of the problem is that those who emphasize gifts often don’t have much fruit to show.  Or worse, they have bad fruit.  The amazing thing is that God still works through very imperfect people, whether it’s through a “move of the spirit” in the supernatural or a move of the heart that is sacrificed to Him and expresses His love through loving those who hurt us.  And either one of these can be tainted by our humanity when they are expressed.

In response to Eric Jaffe:

“John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.”

I believe this is true.

I also believe that the greater works Jesus is referring to will be more in line with what He did while He was on the earth.  Punching and kicking people in the face is not an act of faith. It is disrespectful, rude and even harmful. Jesus didn’t do it and I don’t think it is in His character to ask us to do it on His behalf.

What is happening in Florida is only made possible because Christian people are willing to settle for less than the real thing.  Instead we try to make a move happen through human influence, effort and emotional manipulation.  Miracles aren’t supposed to be subjective.

I believe what the Bible says will come to pass. When it does it will be authentic and verifiable and it will be done through those who are truly humble and fully submitted to God.

It appears that what is going on in Florida is not authentic.  It is more reflective of a carnival. Freaks shows and all.