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What Would W. A. Criswell Say? (And in what tongue?)

Orginally published on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 at 6:41 AM
by Todd Rhoades

Criswell From the Dallas News:

Criswell College, the conservative Baptist Bible college near downtown Dallas, has chosen not to renew the contract of its dean of students, in part because he supports the charismatic practice of speaking in tongues.

The decision comes as the Southern Baptist Convention's International Mission Board is embroiled in controversy over whether foreign missionaries should be required to repudiate speaking in tongues.

Scott Camp's contract as Criswell dean ends today. Both he and Criswell President Jerry Johnson described the parting as amicable, but both acknowledged that doctrinal differences played a role.

"He was a great friend, and is a great friend," Dr. Johnson said. The two men were Criswell classmates in the 1980s and were in each other's weddings.

Mr. Camp was hired a year ago on a six-month contract, which was renewed once. Dr. Johnson said Mr. Camp made a strong contribution to the school, recruiting students and boosting chapel attendance.

But Mr. Camp also is pastor of a new, rapidly growing Southern Baptist congregation in Arlington, Fellowship of Joy Church. He said he understood that he would have to focus on his college job if he wanted to be dean for the long term.

"A decision needed to be made, and the president and I had been in dialogue about my willingness to leave the church," he said.

But doctrinal differences also shaped the decision not to further renew Mr. Camp's contract.

One involved Mr. Camp's professed sympathy for speaking in tongues, a charismatic practice in which believers, under the influence of the Holy Spirit, call out in a language others can't understand.

"Southern Baptists churches are not charismatic churches," Dr. Johnson said. He added that while Criswell enrolls students from charismatic backgrounds, faculty and top staff are expected to toe the line on Baptist beliefs.

Of late, the International Mission Board has moved to oust a member, Wade Burleson, who has publicly questioned the board's insistence that missionaries not use "a private prayer language" – a form of speaking in tongues.

Dr. Johnson said he hadn't discussed Mr. Camp's contract with Southern Baptist Convention leaders, but he added that it's important for Criswell, because it sends students into the mission field, not to contradict the mission board's position on speaking in tongues.

Mr. Camp also has enlisted Carl Raschke, author of The Next Reformation, as "theologian in residence" at Fellowship of Joy. Dr. Raschke, who holds a doctorate in religious studies from Harvard and teaches at the University of Denver, visits the church monthly to preach and work with youth groups. He has written critically about biblical inerrancy, the notion embraced by Southern Baptists that every word in the Bible is divinely inspired and factually accurate.

Criswell College, with just over 400 students, is a mission of First Baptist Dallas. It's named for the late W.A. Criswell, legendary pastor of the church and a leading proponent of biblical inerrancy.

But Dr. Raschke has called the idea of inerrancy "pseudoscientific" and a "weak" view of Scripture.

Dr. Johnson said Dr. Raschke's close affiliation with Fellowship of Joy was another reason why Mr. Camp's contract was not renewed.

"Inerrancy is a big issue for this college and always has been," Dr. Johnson said.

Dr. Raschke said he came to Criswell in November to meet with faculty and speak to students to clarify his position on the Bible, which he said had been misrepresented. He said students seemed to understand, but not top administrators.

"I'm arguing for a stronger view of Scripture, not a weaker view," he said. "I'm certainly not a liberal, and I'm certainly not a relativist. But they don't bother to read what I'm saying."

Barry Hankins, a history professor at Baylor University who has written extensively about conservatives' gaining control of the Southern Baptist Convention in the 1980s, said that biblical inerrancy is a bedrock position for that wing of the denomination and that the "personal experience of speaking in tongues" makes many conservatives uncomfortable.

He said the Criswell episode reinforces that conservatives have begun to quarrel.

"With almost every revolution," he said, "it's easy to hold the movement together while you're still fighting. Once you've won, the fault lines begin to appear."

It is not the first time that a doctrinal dispute has resulted in a high-profile departure from Criswell College.

In 1996, the school's president, the Rev. Richard R. Melick Jr., stepped down after disagreeing with Dr. Criswell on a point of theology involving details about the Second Coming.


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 TRACKBACKS: (0) There are 12 Comments:

  • Posted by pjlr

    Big deal.  Typical Baptist stuff.

  • Why on earth would this good man want to leave his church to become Dean at a college?

    And obviously the Texas Southern Baptists haven’t ever heard of all those WEST TEXAS Southern Baptists who are more charismatic than many Pentecostals I know.

    But if these people want to deny this gift of the Spirit, how many of the other “gifts” will they also want to exclude?

    Why have a claim to the Spirit, if you aren’t willing to accept His gifts?

    I wonder sometimes.

  • Posted by

    What is “pseudoscientific” and what does that have to do with literal interpretation or inerrancy?

    Perhaps if we used words that didn’t need an attached thesis for further clarification, we would all need fewer “tongues.”

  • Posted by

    I have experienced this first hand.  I am forced in some respects to start a non-denom church.  The Arminian based denoms won’t ordain me because of my stance on eternal security and I can’t go back to the Southern Baptists because I speak in tongues. Even though I’ve ministered with both groups for many years without leading anyone astray.

    Oh well!  I think this guy should keep his integrity and move on.  God will still use him.

    Just my thoughts.

  • Posted by

    Well what little hope I did have for the baptist just went out the window.... Just like PJRL stated,"Typical Baptist Stuff” The only reason they don’t have time for that or have a dislike to it is because they are to strong headed and stubborn to listen to the truth. It comes from all those years of we’ve always done like this and or from condemning sinners to hell.
    If W.A.Criswell were here I do believe he would be very disturbed with what is taking place and he would use his Godly Wisdom to straighten this all out.

    The way I see it is you either believe all the Bible or none of it… Speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit. It is the least of the gifts but it is still a gift and I believe God still uses it even today.

    But wait!!! The baptist do use the gift of tongues… When they are leaning over the trough eating potluck dinners… Pig Latin you all Pig latin…

  • Posted by chris

    Maybe I should preface my comments by saying that I am a cessasionist - I don’t believe the sign gifts are operational today. I believe there is biblical support and rationale for the cessation of those gifts, and am happy to discuss it with those who disagree.

    However, I find it interesting that the majority of Paul’s discussion of the gift of tongues comes in the middle of a larger context of the importance of Christian unity. I believe many of my cessasionist friends have interpreted Paul’s words correctly, but have applied them incorrectly.

    It’s unfortunate that some of the mainline denominations that I have respected for so long have come to stand for the things they are against rather than the things they are for. We’re on scary ground today.

  • Posted by

    1.  Let’s not make this an argument over tongues.  There are great thelogians on both sides of this issue. 
    2.  The real issue is does this man believe what the college does?  If not then he needs to move on.  You don’t hire a Baptist to pastor a Methodist church.  If the theology doesn’t fit the position and that theology difference is significant, part ways.
    3.  Enough of the Baptist bashing.  I live in a town of 10,000 people that has 4 Lutheran churches and can cite several other towns with multiple Lutheran churches from church splits and fights.  Does this mean that it is typical Lutheran behavior?

  • Posted by

    Bart has a point.

    If you don’t hold to Baptist Doctrine then don’t go teach at a Baptist school and expect them to change.  It goes for Denominations as well, if you can’t abide by their rules and doctrines quit crying about it and move on.

    It is like going into a Traditional church as a pastor and trying to force them to be Contemporary!  If you want a contemporary or traditional church and you can’t get hired in the one you want, then by all means don’t become a pastor at the one you didn’t want and then complain that they won’t change! 

    This was a poor choice on both their parts.

  • Posted by

    Bart & Al, I am not bashing baptist or baptist bashing… I am just calling a heart a heart and a diamond a diamond..
    I have Pastor friends who are Baptist and I myself am a baptist. But we still believe that speaking in tongues still can be done today.

    Your true Southern Baptist or traditional baptist are none other than modern days Pharisees, Saducces, & Lawyers. They only pick and choose who,what, or when someone can be saved. They have more rules and regulations than a baseball rule book.

    Example of speaking in tongues: a missionary came to the church I was attending. I was helping my pastor friend with this church he was pastoring. They wanted everyone else to do the work while all they had to do is show up and set in a pew. 3/4 of them got defensive when a guest arrived and took their seat they have set in for the past 35 years. I told a few of them the only reason they chose that seat is because they have spent the last 35 years breaking it in for them to set in. Then I went on to tell them, do you know that person, NO… Then don’t talk about them… They get that enough at home,work, and in public… Besides what if that person isn’t saved and they came in took your seat you’ve always set in and they get saved this morning.Last of all that seat don’t have your name on it and it belongs to God anyway..

    Well anyway… This missionary who spoke went to Russia on a missionary trip… She to was a Baptist and she did not almost go, because she didn’t know how to build and do those other things the other’s did. But she felt as if God wouldn’t let her out from under this and went…

    So while everyone was busy doing their jobs she did not have a job. When all at once this group of Russian children were starting to gather around and was slowing down the progress of the work to be done. So she took them aside and gathered them in the group. She picked up a russian childrens book opened it up and began reading it… She never once ever took a lesson in speaking Russian.. That is the gift of tongues my friends…

  • Posted by

    Clairvoyent,

    I am not suggesting, by my post, that you do not have a great understanding of the situation found in the Baptist church.  Nor would I suggest that the gift of Tongues is not a real gift of the spirit, since the Apostle seems to think so grin My point is that I have heard many from the denomination I left, that they couldn’t abide by the doctrine of the church, nor could they follow the “rules” of the denomination and that they were actually teaching against the denomination which supported them.  To me this lacks integrity and guts. If they believe they are so “right” then walk away, start your own church!  Or go to the denominational leadership and make your case, with a spirit that will submit to their leadership or walk if they don’t agree.

    IMHO
    Pastor Al

  • Posted by Tim Sweatman

    As a Southern Baptist pastor, I need to say that Dr. Johnson is not entirely correct when he says, “Southern Baptist churches are not charismatic churches.” There are some Southern Baptist churches that are charismatic; they are a minority, but they do exist.  While most Southern Baptists would be classified as cessationists, the Baptist Faith & Message, which is our official confession of faith, says absolutely nothing about tongues or charismatic practices.  Some of our entities have policies against tongues or other charismatic practices, but the SBC itself has never officially come out against these practices.  Personally, I believe this is one of those issues that, because both sides can make compelling biblical arguments for their view, we should not draw lines of cooperation around.

  • Posted by Chris

    “Your true Southern Baptist or traditional baptist are none other than modern days Pharisees, Saducces, & Lawyers. They only pick and choose who,what, or when someone can be saved. They have more rules and regulations than a baseball rule book.”

    I have a real problem with that statement. Respectfully, what gives you the authority to define what a “true” Southern Baptist is as opposed to a “fake” Southern Baptist? My impression of the Baptist Faith and Message is that it attempts to define what you can expect when you join with a Baptist Church. Without the codification of those ideas, the benefit of a denomination is lost. If you don’t like the ideals denomination has chosen to stand for, for heavens sake get out of the denomination. But I think it’s wrong to cast dispersion on all Southern Baptists by claiming you know what “True” Southern Baptists stand for.

    In addition, I think something that is missing from the above discussion about the specific issue at hand (Criswell) is that there is no indication that the dismissed faculty member’s position has recently changed. Rather, the public awareness of his position has changed. I don’t have any problem with the university dismissing him for failure to come under their doctrinal statement. I do, however, think this situation seems as though they skirted around the issue until someone found out.

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