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Would You Take in A Murderer?

Orginally published on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 at 7:01 AM
by Todd Rhoades


Residents of Chichester, NH are ticked. (That's to put it lightly). Raymond Guay admitted to killing a twelve year old boy in 1973 and after 35 years in prison, was recently released from prison. The murdered boy was found wearing only his socks and underwear; his glasses and a watch. Guay is required to serve out his parole in New Hampshire; and Pastor David Pinckney has taken him into his home. The pastor said in a written statement that he felt Guay 'poses no threat, and never leaves the house without adult supervision' (which seems quite normal for someone who is not a threat...)

Oh... I forgot to mention. The pastor has a wife and four kids ages 13-18.

Residents of the small NH town feel differently. "I do not feel safe enough to walk to the mailbox, to allow my children to walk to the mailbox," said resident Darlene Phelps, according to a newspaper report.

OK... here are my questions and thoughts...

1.  While I admire the pastor for his reaching out; I would NEVER bring a convicted child killer into my home with my wife and teenage kids.  Is it just me, or is this a glaring lack of judgment?

2.  That said, where does the church need to stand on issues like this?  A man like this is definitely a cultural outcast.  He has to go somewhere, but no body wants him.  That reminds me a lot of the people that Jesus came around and gave voice for.  Although this is a severe case, should the church be involved?

3.  If you lived in Chichester, NH… what side of the fence would you be on?  Would you be like the pastor and be more willing to take this man in, or like the woman who is scared to let her kid walk to the mailbox.  Truth be told… I’d probably be the one scared to let my 11 year old go to the mailbox.  Is that wrong?

I’d love to hear your perspective.  No one ever said this Christian thing would be neat and tidy.

You can read the newsletter article here...

Todd


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  There are 27 Comments:

  • Posted by Jimmy Smith

    Due, there are MANY ways to help someone in need that don’t put your family in the path of PROBABLE danger. This pastor has a good heart, but poor judgment and decision-making capacity.

  • Posted by Jimmy Smith

    oops… that first word was suppose to be “dude.”

  • Posted by

    this man raping and killing a young boy tells me he is homosexual , or i would think he is, i would not want the man around my children ,if it was just the pastor and his wife it might be somewhat alright, but i would not put my children in harms way, you know when satan tried to get jesus to jump off a building, jesus said do not test the lord, i do not know if this would be the same or not, but i,m sure some of you pastors would know.

  • Posted by Peter Hamm

    Help him, yes. House him, no.

  • Posted by

    No, I would not do this.  It seems to me that this might be a lack of judgment as well.  This was not the person Jesus wanted us to speak for, since in Jesus day this man would not have served 35 years in prison, but rather been killed.

  • Posted by Brian L.

    We have a registered sex offender (indecent exposure to minors) on our block.  We don’t let our kids go near the place.  In fact, within the nine blocks between my house and the church there are at least a half-dozen offenders living.  You can guess that I don’t allow my small children to walk in that area alone!

    Sorry, but I need to put the welfare of my kiddos before his need for social acceptance.

    Ostracization from society is one of the natural consequences of sex offenders.  (Yes, I know there are different “levels” of sexual offense, and that’s another discussion altogether.)

    I agree with others that this pastor has a huge heart, but unless he’s positive God directed him to do this (in which case he would need to be obedient regardless of the outcry from us or his neighbors), it would be best to have him out of that home.

  • Posted by Peter Hamm

    Brian, I’d go further.

    There is no way that I can fathom that God would instruct this man to take this person into his home with his kids.

    No way.

  • Posted by

    How I wish I could say that I would take him in. But I would not.  No way!

    I am certain that Pastor David Pinckney knows this man much better than we do.  And perhaps the Pastor is simply obeying God by taking him in.  But that act would require faith beyond what I currently possess and that convicts me.

    I wish I had the faith that this Pastor is exhibiting.  And I pray for all involved.

  • Posted by

    Wow! What a tough situation. We do not have all the information needed to make a decision like the pastor has. The relationship points out that he was introduced to Raymond Guay by way of the prison chaplain, How long ago was that? What kind of relationship has this pastor developed since that time? Did the pastor include his family in the decision?

    We have to remember that Jesus reached out and touched lepers. This man would be considered a leper in our society. At least we know where he is located. What about the thousands of potential killers out there that we do not know about? I commend this pastor and family for this bold step, but in all honesty, not sure I could do this myself.

  • Posted by

    One other thing I forgot to say. If Raymond Guay has given his heart and life to Christ, he will be in heaven with all of us for eternity.

  • Posted by

    Steve, Jesus reached out to lepers and healed them.  He did not take them in, nor would he have done so.  There are and were places for lepers in the days of Jesus.  While leprosy was considered the reult of sin and unclean, it was not as we know always the case.  A leper was not a pedophile and a murderer..  In my opinion, this man is not a leper in our day, he is a murderer and child rapist in both Jesus Day and in our Day. 

    Forgiven?  Sure.  Invited into a home where there are children. Never.

  • Posted by Brian L.

    Peter,

    I with you.  My theology would not see this as possible.

    But if this guy thinks God was directing him to do it, then he is acting out of obedience to what He believes God is requiring of him.

    I don’t see God actually doing that, myself.

  • Posted by Brian L.

    Peter,

    I agree with you.  My theology would not see this as possible.

    But if this guy thinks God was directing him to do it, then he is acting out of obedience to what He believes God is requiring of him.

    I don’t see God actually doing that, myself.

  • Posted by CindyK

    Very insightful post Leonard.  Much wisdom there, thank you.

  • Posted by Brian L.

    Leonard,

    Agree with you 100 million billion gajillion percent!

  • Posted by

    So Leonard, you say Jesus did not take in a leper.  Safe statement - after all Jesus himself said he didn’t have a home, at least not during the ministry years. 

    But you continue: “Nor would he have done so.” Is this a revelation from the Lord?  How would you know this?  After all, if Jesus did have a home, we can be pretty sure it would be a bachelor pad, so to speak.  No kids.  And what exactly would be the danger of taking in a HEALED leper?  Imperfect healing?  Still contagious?  What?

    Everyone is jumping onto the current knee-jerk reaction bandwagon regarding any story about a sex offender.  I’d say give the pastor the benefit of the doubt.  He is the one in the situation, who has prayed it through and thought it through, along with the rest of his family.  (Yeah, I’m asuming) Also, the pastor’s kids are all teenagers.  Who knows, even the 13 yr old may be well able to take care of himself against an old man, (which I assume the offender is, after 35 yrs in prison).  And we have no reason to believe the guy is ever alone with the kids.

  • Posted by

    Stuff will hit the fan big time if this convict fails. According to one story, Guay made a profession of faith in 1993. I sincerely hope he has been changed and not merely using jailhouse religion to gain trust.

  • Posted by

    I suspect this is another example of Christian compassion gone insane.

  • Posted by Jeff

    First and foremost, I agree with those noting that we’re so far removed from the situation that making a truly accurate assessment of whether the pastor made the right call is near impossible.

    While I myself would be hesitant to take this man into my home with my wife and infant son, I’m equally troubled by the views expressed that there is no way Jesus would condone taking him in.  Jesus did regularly interact with outcasts, and while he didn’t take them in (the Gospels suggest that he was itinerant, often relying on the hospitality of others), he did share meals with them, which had major cultural implications in those days. 

    Moreover, we’re told that Jesus interacted with “sinners,” usually denoted as tax collectors, prostitutes, and adulterers.  And while there are no stories specifically about murderers or rapists, is it that hard to imagine that such people would be the next logical step; would also be included somehow?  After all, Jesus does teach several times to visit those in prison.  I suppose some will want to split hairs about visiting prisoners vs. taking ex-convicts into one’s home, but that brings us back to the specifics of this situation, and the pastor’s closeness to the situation vs. our abstract judgments.

  • Posted by Jeremy Myers

    I would take in a murderer, and I have. He stayed with us in our house for six weeks. It was a curious series of events which I will not get into here, but he stayed with us while awaiting trial.

    My wife and I only had one child at the time. Many of the people in our church said we should not do it. It was too dangerous, they said.

    It was one of the best six weeks of my life, and I now consider him to be a good friend.

  • Posted by

    Dave Z, first of all a healed leper is not a leper.  He is a former leper.  A former leper is also not a threat to kids, to a wife, to a family.  A former leper did not murder and molest a child.  He had a disease he was not a criminal. 

    That said I believe the connection with a leper and this man is tenuous at best.  It is not a straight line, not a parallel line, not even a close facsimile thereof.  It is an apple and an orange. 

    As for getting a word from the Lord, no, can’t say that.  I just have a strong opinion.  I hope that is okay.  It certainly is not formed in naivete or a lack of biblical understanding. 

    Jesus would at times violated the standards and laws of the day to help the sick, he hung with prostitutes and tax collectors and some of his friends were drunks.  But the taking in a leper was so not an option in his day because he then would have to live outside the city too as unclean.  Now if the bachelor pad you describe Jesus having was outside the city walls, and Jesus wanted to live his whole life as unclean, then sure maybe he would.  By the way, you added the “Healed” portion to the equation.

  • Posted by

    Does anyone recall Saul of Tarsus?  Was he not, also, one who harms the saints (believed to bring them to their deaths)?

    Or David, who had a soldier slain so he could be with his wife?

    Or Moses who murdered a guard?
    We do not know this man, nor the pastor who took him in and gave him shelter.  We do not know if this man has received Christ, or if this man has shown repentance for his sins. While, perhaps, I would have taken a different approach in providing shelter than to have this person live with me; in the end, we make a armchair quarterback decision without seeing the entire picture.  I’m not saying I agree with his decision - I’m also not saying I disagree.  I don’t know adequate information to say if this is a foolish move or a faithful move.

  • Posted by

    I wish those of you who are casting judgment on this pastor would shut your mouths. This is a public forum and, as has been noted above, YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION to judge whether or not this pastor is being wise.

    The relevant reflective question is the one Jeremy answered: would YOU host a murderer?

    And of course, the proper answer is: it depends. Is there person repentant? reformed? defiant? etc.

    The apostle Paul had been a terrorist. Would you have taken him in? Do you stand in judgment over the early Church that did?

    By all means, use discernment, but don’t so limit the grace and transformative Spirit of God by imagining that a sin committed 35 years ago stains a person forever. Can we not be washed clean and sanctified by the blood of the Lamb?

    Peace,
    -Daniel-

  • Posted by Peter Hamm

    Daniel,

    Perhaps you should educate yourself on the special moral, ethical, and legal challenges with people who’ve committed sexual crimes against children, how even they will admit that they must never be alone with a child again, no matter how they have been delivered by God. It’s a unique kind of mental issue that creates this kind of person. Look into it.

  • Posted by

    Daniel,
    Not much criticism here for the pastor except to say we disagree and aren’t sure of the judgment.  So not I will not shut my mouth. 

    what Paul did was much different that than what this man did.  It is not the same thing.

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