What the @$&*? Ed Young Swears to Prove a Point: Don’t Swear
- Posted by: Todd
- Posted on: Tue, June 02, 2009
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1. I would ask Ed… Is it necessary to curse in an admonition to other pastors not to curse? Did he not do that to grab our attention? Is that not EXACTLY the SAME THING that he accuses pastors who curse of doing? I mean… what the hell? (There I did it… please don’t do that… it’s not necessary).
2. I find it somewhat ironic that Ed Young would get on pastors for doing something because it was ‘cool’. I think Ed is the epitome of ‘cool’. That’s kind of his reputation. No, it IS his reputation. Over the top cool. Something’s not right with that cool.
Don’t get me wrong, I think Ed’s ok. I just find it funny that one area he feels ‘very strongly about’ is that of language.
Anyone else find it ironic?
This should be fun. Watch this by Ed Young, Jr.
A couple of ironies here for me... really...
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Paul Bowman on Tue, June 02, 2009
Yeah, a little ironic….
He should hear Tony Campolo’s talk about how so many 10’s of thousands of children die every day, but we don’t give a $%*@. But, then follows it up by saying, “and what’s worse is that most of you are more concerned about the fact that I just said %$*@ than you are the fact that so many children are dying every day!” Slam!
I agree though, we should be cautious about using foul language in order to sound relevant.
Adam McLane on Tue, June 02, 2009
I love your point #2. Lots of irony. Certainly, Ed Young’s publicity stunt with the 7 days of sex provided one of the most awkward/embarrassing moments in recent TV/church history. I’d rather a pastor say “crap” than tell me how many times he’s slept with his wife in the past week.
I elaborated a bit more here: http://eepurl.com/byn-
Leonard on Tue, June 02, 2009
Ed is right in that there are a lot of words we can use instead of curse words. I think too much cursing is done form the pulpit these days in a lot of churches. I might not agree that all the words Ed thinks are curse words are curse words, some are just the vernacular of our times… and I might not think Ed the expert on the motives of other pastors.
Without making this about Ed, where do you draw the line? I also think it is not just about swearing but about content too.
Q. on Tue, June 02, 2009
I also agree that some of the words he seemed to regard as ‘foul’ aren’t words that are foul in my circle of influence or congregation. I do see that we don’t want to declare anything ‘dirty’ that God hasn’t declared ‘dirty’. I do think we need to speak intentionally and we need to embrace the freedom that we have while making sure that we aren’t contradicting our message.
Along those same lines: I would be interested in hearing a counterpoint argument. I know that the pastors who are using this language are people of God so I know they have a reason for using actual ‘curse’ words (not words like ‘crap’ and ‘pissed’ and ‘screwed’ but actual curse words) and I would DEFINITELY be interested in hearing it…
liza on Tue, June 02, 2009
uh…..I’m not worried about his cursing…but I definitely wouldn’t want to be in traffic with a guy talking to a video camera while driving.
I’m waiting for the out takes when he smashes into the car ahead of him!
Bet that’s full of cursing!
CS on Tue, June 02, 2009
Sorry, but Young Jr. doesn’t have the reputation or track record to even make a statement like this. With the shenanigans that he has put on in recent years, including the, “Sex Challenge,” saying how he comes up with sermons the day before worship between workouts, and all the other notoriety that goes along with it, that discounts him from being able to make these sorts of messages, as true and as relevant as they may be.
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CS
geoff on Tue, June 02, 2009
Being lectured by Ed on chasing cool is like Tony Soprano lecturing me on law and order.
Rusty on Tue, June 02, 2009
Geoff,
That’s the funniest thing I’ve read in a while. I’m still laughing!
Josh R on Tue, June 02, 2009
I really don’t have a problem with swearing. I think we are way to legalistic about it.. There is no list of words we should not say in the bible. When talking about sin, I think that the bible is often quite profane itself. Look at Jeremiah 2:20 for example. That is graphically profane. How about Galatians 5:12? If a preacher said something like that today, it would be considered “Unchristian” by most.
I think the real issue is that many folks use cuss words as punctuation. They describe things that are not profane with profane terms. Only Sinful and corrupt things ought to be described with such language.
When we complain about the relatively trivial trials in life that God placed in our lives to refine us, and to sanctify us, it is insulting God. It is either a denial of God’s sovreignty over the issue, or it is a cursing God for his discipline. Either way, not good.
movers on Tue, June 02, 2009
While I don’t think everything he said is really a curse word, I do agree that that sort of language should not be heard in church. Also, I’m a bit concerned that he is driving while talking and recording this. That seems dangerous. I wonder if he did that to seem “cool” too…
Dave Anderson (Moviepastor) on Tue, June 02, 2009
Crap. Im screwed. It sucks to be me. Good thing I believe in eternal security or i’d burn in hell probably. Thankfully he didnt mention fart though. I said that 20 times once.
Fred on Tue, June 02, 2009
I know a pastor who thinks it’s OK to cuss as long as your’re him and you’re mad. His whole family does it. They call it,“using their Cowboy Words.” That makes it OK.
Joshua Ballard on Wed, June 03, 2009
I was waiting for Ed to actually swear, and was left waiting till the end.
I agree that the gospel is offensive enough, but in the circles I travel, substituting darn, poop and the like for some of the heavier words simply reeks of pretentious pharisaism rather than “offence”.
I agree with the scriptures that abusive speech is out, but I would argue that abuse can only be determined by the one being abused. If the one being abused happens to be a Christian, they should defer to the obviously weaker brethren who continue to pepper their speech with certain four letter words that remain on an unknown apocryphal parchment somewhere.
JOB on Wed, June 03, 2009
Joshua said, “I was waiting for Ed to actually swear, and was left waiting till the end.”
Movers said, “While I don’t think everything he said is really a curse word”
Josh R said, “I really don’t have a problem with swearing. I think we are way to legalistic about it.. “
Q said “I also agree that some of the words he seemed to regard as ‘foul’ aren’t words that are foul in my circle of influence or congregation”
Leanord said, “I might not agree that all the words Ed thinks are curse words are curse words, some are just the vernacular of our times”
May I recomend a good sermon on this topic, it should help clarify appropriate language for believers and church leaders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EFXP04ke2o
Peter Hamm on Wed, June 03, 2009
Who was the audience on this? Sounds like it was pastors and leaders, not a church congregation.
I don’t see much of an issue here. Ed is right. We should be careful about the words we use, and about the meaning behind them. Any word can be a cuss word at that point. And he used some that many I associate with have no problem with, some “borderline words”, imho.
That said, different words are dirtier than others in different cultures. I remember using what I thought was a very innocuous word in congregation with somebody from another English-speaking country, only to find out that that word was EXTREMELY profane there… And some we use here that are very profane aren’t considered as much elsewhere…
Culture and content. that’s what we need to watch.
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