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Big Changes at Willow Creek:  Appel and Frazee Submit Resignations

Orginally published on Monday, January 28, 2008 at 8:24 AM
by Todd Rhoades

It became public over the weekend. Randy Frazee is leaving Willow Creek to take the senior position with Max Lucado at Oak Hills Church in San Antonio. Also, Gene Appel will leave after Easter of this year. Bill Hybels will take over the Lead Pastor of South Barrington (once again). Here's the announcement directly from the Willow Creek elders...

January 26, 2008

Today the Elders of Willow Creek are announcing that two senior staff leaders have made personal decisions to pursue new ministries outside our church.

This June, Teaching Pastor Randy Frazee will become the Senior Minister of Oak Hills Church in San Antonio, Texas, where he will teach and lead in partnership with pastor and author, Max Lucado.

“After 8 months of prayer and counsel, I believe God is calling our family to expand the reach of the neighborhood initiative to San Antonio,” Randy said. “However, my decision to leave is mostly about family and a simple desire to be around my kids, two of whom are currently living in Texas and a third who will head to Texas for college this fall.

“It has been a complete privilege and joy to be a part of the Willow Creek team,” he said. “You can count on our fervent prayers and blessings as we move forward on this endeavor.”

Gene Appel, Lead Pastor-South Barrington, who came to Willow Creek as Associate Pastor in 2003 and moved into his current role two and a half years ago, also announced his resignation from staff.

“I love this church,” Gene said. “It has been an enormous privilege for me to serve here, but after months of internal wrestling and seeking the counsel of wise people I trust, I have come to a place of peace and clarity, and sense the nudge to move toward being the senior pastor of a local church again. I’ll continue serving in my role through the Easter season, and then I’ll begin prayerfully pursuing God’s next adventure. I am honored to have been able to serve in partnership with everyone at Willow and I have been forever impacted by this place. I will be cheering you on for the rest of my life.”

On January 17, 2008 the Elders of Willow Creek and Bill Hybels agreed that Bill will assume the role of Lead Pastor-South Barrington in addition to his other senior pastor responsibilities, which include oversight of the Regional Campuses and the Willow Creek Association. 

“I am honored to assume the responsibility to lead the staff and congregation at South Barrington and I look to God expectantly for what He has planned for us in the future,” Bill said.

The Elders fully support the decisions of Gene and Randy, and are grateful to them for their faithful leadership, high character, and inspired teaching.

SOURCE:  Willow Creek website

QUESTION:  With Mike Breaux also moving on in recent months, this means that, for the most part, the entire teaching staff of Willow Creek will turn-over rather quickly.  How difficult will this be for Willow?  And how will they deal with all the public talk about real problems at Willow (it’s already starting in the blog world this morning!) How would you handle it if you were Bill Hybels or the Willow elders (not that they look to MMI for advice!) smile


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  There are 48 Comments:

  • Posted by Kevin Bussey

    Why does everyone assume there are problems?  Maybe God is just preparing Willow for a new and dynamic next 30 years.  Obviously God has been challenging Bill about some of the methods they have used in the past.  Maybe God is pruning the church leadership.  When you prune you lose good too.  I expect great things from Willow in the future.

    Bill Hybles teaching and books have impacted me tremendously. Too Busy Not To Pray revolutionized my prayer life.

  • I agree with Kevin.  These men indicate that they looked for godly counsel and prayed.  We had two of four staff resign last Spring, much to our surprise.  There were no inner staff conflicts.  God just led them to positions elsewhere.  God had some new things in mind for us, and I am assuming that as ‘friends’ pray for Bill and the team at WCCC He will lead them to some new wonderful things as well.  Give ‘em a break.

  • Posted by

    There must have been some issues because Gene Appel is leaving Willow Creek without any immediate plans to go somewhere else.  Additionally, I’m sure Bill Hybels never planned to step back into his previous role and do double duty.  It’s a temporary situation until Willow is able to find Gene Appel’s replacement.

    It doesn’t necessarily mean there are problems at Willow, but it does mean that the Gene Appel succession plan didn’t work.

  • Posted by Camey

    There would be real problems if these men were called to walk away from Willow and didn’t. I see this as positive not negative.

    Changes can be and are good for the body. Just as equally good for individuals as well.

  • Posted by

    Problems?  With Staff? Where?  At Willow?

    The truth of the matter is, every church has it’s problems.

    This is not about the problems that Willow has, it is about two men following the direction of God.  It is about one who wants to be closer to his family, and another who has the passion to serve a local church as senior pastor.

    God calls us to various things in our ministries.  I know it happened to me.  I started off as a church pianist and that has progressed to include a wide array of ministries that God has placed me in.

    These are gifted ministers who are growing and going where God is directing.  Give them a break. It doesn’t have to be about PROBLEMS.  Remember, PROBLEMS are OPPORTUNITIES in disguise.

  • Posted by Tye Male

    I would like to suggest that this is all part of God’s plan for these men and Willow Creek. God moves men and I think it is a good thing when godly men can sense God’s call.

    The truth is that Willow has been able to continue to thrive through many transitions because they openly and willingly embrace change. They are also purpose driven from the very inception. Any organization fairs well through change when the mission is clearly understood.

    How many congregations do you know that went into decline because they refused to embrace change. It’s probably more than those you know who made the leap from good to great.

  • Posted by Joe Louthan

    Naw, I don’t see it as them having issues.  That happened to a church in DFW.  They had way too many great leaders and God dropped the bomb on them and scattered those leaders to the corners of our metroplex.

    God is good like that.

  • Posted by David Foster

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  • Posted by HEATHER

    Growing up in Barrington, before I would head out for a wreckless night of partying, I would sit in Willow’s midweek service...I was tethered to God by barely a string.
    But I am blessed in my present because of God using Willow in my past.  I’m really praying for them during this time.  I hope Pastor Hybels reads this and knows that too.  Grateful, Heather

  • Posted by

    Where did Mike Beaux go? I hadn’t heard that he resigned…

  • Posted by Phil DiLernia

    All churches, including those as large as Willow, experience change, upheaval, and even some unhappiness with their staff.

    Willow has positively impacted so many for so long I would be graceful and give them a break here.  Bill Hybels doesn’t have to answer to any of us.  He has been used by God and has faithfully ministered to thousands for many many years.

    I wish them the best and I am confident that whomever they choose to replace these men (if they choose to replace them) will be gifted and passionate in spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world.

  • Posted by

    This is all speculation, we need to know much more information before we can decide whether or not there are internal problems at Willow.  Although it is suspicious, don’t jump the gun!

  • Posted by Derek

    Todd—We crashed the server not because of the Willow announcement, but because we are so eager to read your posts after your vacation. Welcome back!

    I think Willow we move forward with little problem. The WCA has enough of a pastor pool to find a candidate who can step up into these positions.

    Where did Mike Breaux go? Does anybody know?

    Derek

  • Posted by

    Willow has been a blessing to our church and our ministries!  Rock on Willow.

    Mike Breaux is at Heartland in Rockford, IL.

  • Mike Breaux is on the pastoral staff of Heartland Community Church of Rockford, Illinois.  Heartland is in the WCA.  They just recently moved into a shopping center (which they purchased) and renovated a huge store for their worship center.  You can check them out at http://www.heartland.cc

  • If this is, in fact, not a rumor, then they shouldn’t have anything to worry about if they have already been training other leaders to take their place.

    Whether you are a leader of a small team/ministry or one of the leaders of a mega church like Willow Creek, reproducing yourself to another is critical.

    This is a nice reminder to us all that, no matter how big and successful your church is today, God may have a plan for one or more of your leaders tomorrow. Therefore, we must continually prepare for our leaders to come and go as they are called. 

  • Posted by

    I understand the desire to be positive in a situation like this.

    But I can’t help but think we’re also being a little naive as well.

    The fact is this church lost its top three pastors in a matter of just nine weeks.  These are the guys who truly became the face of the church for most members.  They represented its vision and its future and - poof - they are all gone.

    And the timing of it all begs just a little suspicion, don’t you think?

    Mike Breaux had already been splitting his time between Heartland and Willow for months, so why not continue to do so until they found his replacement?  Instead he tendered his resignation pretty soon after.

    Gene Appel does not even have another job lined up and yet he’s already announced his resignation.  Why not announce your resignation and your replacement at the same time if there is no pressing deadline?

    I was there Saturday when they first made these announcements and three things struck me:

    First, a lot of people there still hadn’t heard about Mike Breaux, which isn’t unusual given the staggered speaking schedules of the main teaching pastors.  It wasn’t unusual for several weeks to go by without seeing a specific pastor.  So, if you weren’t there the day Mike’s resignation was announced, you probably still hadn’t heard yet – as I had not, (and I attend on a very regular basis). So while Willow thought they were announcing the loss of two pastors, for most of us in the audience we were learning about the loss of three.

    The second thing that struck me was how clear it was that Bill did not want this burden placed on him.  Seems to me he has enjoyed the global spotlight much more than leading the church on a day-to-day basis.  So it was not exactly heartening when he begrudgingly reassumed his local responsibilities while his eye is on the next worldwide tour.  And let’s face facts, for the better part of two years Bill has functioned in many ways as a guest speaker in his own church; stopping by every couple of months to do a two-week stint, while Mike and Gene would lead programs that would go on for several weeks. 

    Third, the announcements were poorly handled in my opinion.  They made a rather cavalier five-minute announcement about how the entire teaching staff is being gutted and then tried to switch into a lesson on the bible’s view of environmentalism.  Did they think anyone was paying attention to that lesson? The only unhealthy environment most of were concerned about was the inner workings of our church. They should have thrown away the script for that weekend and used that time to address the congregation’s most pressing needs.

    The end result is you walked out of that building feeling pretty shocked and saddened.  Or as my wife put when she woke up the next day, “heart broken.”

  • Posted by

    Couple of items to think about from an attendee…

    When Gene Apple was brought to us, it was told that he was the “GUY” that Bill Hybels wanted running WC if something happened to him.  Now, 3 years later - he is leaving without any real sense of direction.  It might be on good terms, but their is much more to this hidden story that I’m sure we will ever learn.

    I agree all churches have problems, but Willow is run like a regime.  Go against the regime and you will be removed.  When I go home to visit my folks, I attend a WCA church, its a mid size.  But they vote on growth issues, and leadership decisions from the members.  That is what membership is about.  It is not the dictatorship from one leader.

    I think Bill is an awesome motivator, and a high impact guy, writes great books too.  But since Willow reorganized and phased out affinaty groups (men, womens ministry) and switched to this neighborhood centric focus, lets face it - it was a disaster for Gene, Randy and Mike to fail; and they walked into it with this regime.

    I pray nightly that God will guide the leaders at Willow to provide Bible based services instead of seeker services and to grow our congreation deeper instead of wider.  I even pray that our membership will mean we are part of the church decision making process.  I also pray that every service does not have to be a book promotion or sale of nonsense - since we all already own the best selling book ever - Willow just doesn’t like to use it very often - so much they got most everyone to buy “The Story” for our New Community services (Wednesday) - which is the Bible condensed.

  • Posted by Peter Hamm

    Willow Guy writes [It might be on good terms, but their is much more to this hidden story that I’m sure we will ever learn.] And so what? I would think that there was more going on in some of Paul’s splits with others in the New Testament, but all of them went on building the kingdom, didn’t they. EVEN if there is something under the surface here, Willow seems to be handling it in a gracious and biblical manner…

    and [I pray nightly that God will guide the leaders at Willow to provide Bible based services instead of seeker services and to grow our congreation deeper instead of wider.] Can we please have deep and wide? And let’s not forget… how does the Bible define deep? I think deep is being more loving toward your neighbor. If all the Bible knowledge in the world doesn’t make you more loving to your neighbor, it is in vain.

    I suspect that little will change, and that’s probably the way that it should be.

  • Posted by Derek

    James writes: This is a nice reminder to us all that, no matter how big and successful your church is today, God may have a plan for one or more of your leaders tomorrow. Therefore, we must continually prepare for our leaders to come and go as they are called.

    Good point. We do need to prepare our leaders to follow God’s call. We also need to prepare our congregations for our eventual departure. A good pastor friend of mine said he told his church, “You are either going to fire me or I am going to leave or I am going to die! But at some point the church will go on without me.

    As leaders we need to be preparing others for ministry and not building our churches around us, our agenda, our personality, our giftedness. If the church depends too much on us, it makes the shock of our departure all the more difficult.

    Derek

    P.S. For you Willow folks, I am sorry. Leadership transitions are very often a shock. My encouragement is love the church even though church leaders are changing and don’t waste too much time speculating on what happened. It never leads to anywhere good…

  • Posted by

    Derek writes [P.S. For you Willow folks, I am sorry. Leadership transitions are very often a shock. My encouragement is love the church even though church leaders are changing and don’t waste too much time speculating on what happened. It never leads to anywhere good…]

    AMEN!

    Peter Hamm writes [Can we please have deep and wide?] I would accept this, its just when yorur church as gone wide for so long, you are poloraized to want the opposite.

  • As Pastors, we can spiritualize our “call to another position” with the best of them.  I’ve made five moves as a Pastor.  It is never easy.  But when you are listening to God’s guidance, He uses a variety of means at His disposal to help us know when it is time to leave.  I think Derek is right.  Speculating on why these men all left within the past year is really irrelevant to the attenders of WC.  The only ones who need to concern themselves with “issues” are the leaders of WC.  And if there are no “issues”, but simply men of God following God’s leading in their lives (for whatever reason), then looking under every rock will be a waste of your time. 
    Look up instead.  Look to God for future blessings and press on.  We all are striving for the prize of God’s upward call, regardless of how He moves His undershepherds from one place of service to another.
    Besides, you might be disappointed if you found out that moving to Texas to be close to his family was a real motivator to seek God about a change of venue for him, and you don’t think that that is a spiritual enough reason.  God still had to open a door of service there.
    And resigning without a call, while it is not easy on the Pastor, is not without precedent.

  • Posted by Jasbo

    I have been a member at Willow Creek since 1996 and have seen several teaching pastors come and go.  Go had used each of them to touch my life and challenge my walk with God.
    I would not agree that the information about Mike Breaux was news to “most” in the audience.  I have worked with all three of these men and have enjoyed each of them and their unique gifts.
    I feel the disappointment that a couple of bloggers have expressed, however, I disagree with them regarding “junk” that is lurking in some corner.
    Willow Creek has always been Elder led and though Bill Hybels is a strong leader, I believe it is mischaracterized as a regime or him as a dictator.  Willow Creek does not have a congregational form of government which may be the case with some WCA churches.
    Our weekend services are designed to create a deeper thirst for God and not to create “bulimic Christians who binge on the weekend only to purge themselves all week” as Erwin Mcmanus has stated.  There are many opportunities for our congregation to grow deeper.  The whole finding of the Reveal study was that we needed to teach people to go deeper into the Word themselves and not look to the Teaching Pastor as their sole source of spiritual nutrition.
    One final thought.  though it may make sense to some to think that we Willow hold off announcing about Gene Appel until he finds where God has him serve next, the church needed to be led now by those who would be here in the future.  If Gene wasn’t going to be in the picture that would have raised many more questions of people and then it would seem that the church leadership was trying to withhold information.
    As some other bloggers have rightly stated, Willow will be looking inside to raise up leadership from within.  Thanks to all of you for your prayers as we move forward.

  • Posted by

    I agree with Jasbo. I came to Christ because of Bill, was baptized by him and served the church as a staff member for 4 years. I remember my first day on the job, walking through the auditorium and thinking “I’m going to retire here! Thank you Lord!” Well, after 4 years of service the Lord had other plans for me. I moved to Florida to be near my grandkids. I was heartbroken to leave Willow, but I came to realize that the Lord gve me 4 years of training...somewhat akin to college… and orchestrated my leave to take what I had learned at Willow and bring it with me to share in Florida.

    I still miss Willow dearly, my spiritual mentor, fellow staff members, close friends, my small groups, listening to John Ortberg, Lee Strobel, Nancy Ortberg, and Bill, but I’ll always remember that they ENCOURAGED and SUPPORTED staff members to pray about where God wanted them to be, give their all to Christ always, and remember that our mission is to help everyone become fully devoted followers of Christ...no matter where we go.

    I live by Jer. 29:11-14...which I learned at Willow.

    The pastors, elders, and management team there will always be in my prayers.

  • Posted by

    Some times what lurks around the corner is really lurking around the corner in our heart.  I will say to speculate is on the fringe of if not in the middle of Gossip.  It does not serve the kingdom nor does it serve Christ.  The reality is that we need to pray for Willow, not because something is wrong but because they are our family.

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