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Conflict?  Ask Ken:  How Can I Deal with Injustice In the Church?

Orginally published on Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 4:26 PM
by Todd Rhoades

Here’s this week’s “Conflict:  Ask Ken” question… Dear Ken, I was suddenly fired from my job Sept. 2 without any notice by the administrator in a very large church (average attendance of approx. 1,000) I had worked there full-time since January 1995, so I was there nearly 10 years. (The administrator who fired me is not the same as the one who hired me. This one has never liked me and has been looking for something a long time to use against me. Others have observed it too.) In previous years, I was chosen as employee of the month in June 1998 & received a pay raise and at least two job promotions with pay increases while there, as well as commendations publicly and in written form from the pastor and other staff and church members. The pastor is the one who has always seen to it that I received the pay increases…

Then on Sept. 1, there was a simple misunderstanding about my job description that could have easily and quickly been resolved. (I did not know that one could be fired for following their job description, above and beyond, but you can!) The administrator and another staff member (my boss) would not deal with me redemptively to resolve the situation. I have always gotten along well with my boss until this came up. I asked for mercy, grace, forgiveness and another chance and was denied. (My boss DID forgive me he said.) Having one problem/question over my job description in 10 years is a pretty good record I think.

I had to pack up everything (by myself) from the past 10 years, load it into my car and leave within 2 hours after being notified of my "termination."

When I asked the administrator if the pastor knew about this decision, he became very defensive and said "He knows I have the right to fire." My reply was "I'm not questioning your authority. I am simply asking for information." I was gruffly told "Yes, he knows."

I am single and have no other source of income. I was given some severance pay by the church, but my parents have given me money the past 2 months to help out because I was barely making it before I was fired.

When I applied for unemployment benefits I was told I did not qualify in our state because I had worked for a non-profit organization. I have health problems and my insurance runs out in a couple of weeks.

I have only had 2 interviews since September 2 and none of those have worked out after having sent out approximately 50-60 resumes. I went to a personnel agency yesterday to try to find some kind of employment.

God will provide, but it is very hard to think that I ever want to work in a church again. (I've worked in churches since 1980 until now.)
I am hurt, wounded and confused. I am "guarding my heart, for out of it is the wellspring of life" because I do not want to become bitter nor hold a grudge in my heart.

I haven't said a word to any of the staff nor contacted them about what has happened, but I wonder if I should write them and the personnel committee a letter letting them know what has happened from my viewpoint. I don't want to go back to work there, but I feel I was wrongfully terminated. I literally "shook the dust from my feet" when I left. What should I do?

Janet

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Janet,

As I read through your comments, it seems to me that the underlying question you are struggling with is how to deal with the injustice you experienced.

Oftentimes in this life, wrongs are not made right. People are not always made whole again after a loss. Sometimes the most difficult aspect of this reality is not the loss, as bad as it may be, but the lack of acknowledgement of the injustice done ? especially by those who caused it.

Yet Christians believe in moral order because we believe in God. The need to have that moral order affirmed is strong in all of us. When an injury cannot be undone and/or justice cannot be administered, to speak the truth about what happened and to identify the moral wrongs committed brings the sense of right and wrong into balance again.

You said in part, ?I haven't said a word to any of the staff nor contacted them about what has happened.? That sounds to me like, by and large, you are suffering in silence. You were part of a community for 10 years and almost no one knows about what happened.

You also wrote, ?I am hurt, wounded and confused. I am ?guarding my heart, for out of it is the wellspring of life? because I do not want to become bitter nor hold a grudge in my heart.?

Paradoxically, your excellent intentions and your approach to your difficult situation can cause you to become the very thing you do not want to be: bitter. Martha Minow, a Harvard professor, who not only studied some of the major atrocities of the 20th century, but the attempts by survivors to subsequently heal, wrote, ?victims and witnesses who seek to forget ironically may assist the perpetrators by keeping silent about their crimes. Silence about violence locks perpetrators and victims in the cruel pact of denial, literally and psychologically.? From my perspective, expressing outrage (righteous anger) over wrongful harms committed is a response that not only reaffirms the moral order, but is a first step that can lead to reconciliation, at least in some form.

You clearly stated, ?I feel I was wrongfully terminated.? You then asked, ?what should I do?? What I have written so far probably gives you the direction of my counsel. What you additionally wrote actually provides a specific avenue. You wrote, ?I wonder if I should write them [the staff] and the personnel committee a letter letting them know what has happened from my viewpoint.?

I would not write to the staff, but I would write to the personnel committee and send a copy to the governing board above that committee, whether it be trustees, deacons, or elders. Writing to the staff will not help your cause. The staff can?t do anything about the outcome and such a letter could actually be used against you, painting you as a trouble maker. (This does not mean you can?t share your experience with individual friends on staff who call you. But I would limit such conversation with friends on staff to just that).

However, writing to the personnel committee (and to the board above them) is entirely appropriate. This is an administrative matter over which this group is (these groups are) given oversight responsibilities.

The next question becomes, what is the purpose and goal of your letter. I think it should be two-fold. First, you want to express the hurt you have endured as a result of your being fired. Share your reasons why you believe that your termination was wrongful. In doing so, make sure you write your letter in the first person. ?I felt.? ?I was mystified.? ?I can?t understand.? Conversely, avoid writing in the 3rd person when talking about the attributes of another person. ?He?s insensitive.? ?What a jerk.? ?He had it out for me.? Why this distinction? No one can argue with how you feel, but disagreements readily follow when accusations are made, as people become defensive or come to the defense of others. In the former instance, you will be heard. In the latter, you will be rebuffed.

Secondly, you want to make it clear the kind of bind your wrongful termination has put you in. You certainly want to include your health insurance situation. In this section, you are not asking for handouts. However, if the powers that be are persuaded that you are suffering unjustly at the hands of their church, over which they are stewards, they may want to take some corrective action to, at least, ease the difficulty of your transition.

In other words, part of the letter is for you to express your own perspective on what happened. Hopefully, this will be a big step in your own healing. One black man who had been blinded by a white South African apartheid police officer was given the opportunity to share what happened to him before the country?s ?Truth and Reconciliation Commission.? When later asked how he felt, the man responded, ?I felt what has been making me sick all the time is the fact that I couldn?t tell my story. But now I ? it feels like I got my sight back by coming here and telling you the story.?? So, part of the letter is for your healing.

Part of the letter is for the church. Your letter will give them an opportunity to take steps they may think are appropriate. (Don?t demand anything. Simply set forth your current circumstance).

Let me also add, you want to get your points across as succinctly as possible. You want your letter to be read, not set aside because it resembles a mini-book. So have a friend or family member look at it before you send it with a view to making it as complete, yet as concise as possible.

To my way of thinking, the letter signifies a healthy response to the past. Much beyond it becomes unproductive and self-draining. You?ll say your peace to those in authority. Chances are you will not receive a reply that states, ?you are right, you were hurt, and it was wrong.? But you will assert your perspective on the moral order of life. You will give voice to your deep seated feelings. Speaking the truth in love is always a right thing to do.

Send your letter with a prayer to God that His will be done, regardless of how the church responds or does not respond. Then begin to focus more and more of your energies on finding what lies next just over the horizon in God?s unfolding plan - for us all.

Janet, may you find strength in Him for the journey.

Sincerely in Christ,
Ken


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  • Posted by

    Re: I was suddenly fired from my job Sept. 2 ... When I applied for unemployment benefits I was told I did not qualify in our state because I had worked for a non-profit organization.

    What state is this and what other states do not give unemployment to people who work in non-profit organizations?

  • Posted by Ollie Malone

    It seems to me that there are several other factors raised in Janet’s question that necessitate a response.  First, I believe it is important for Janet to realize that although she feels wronged by the church where she faithfully served, there may have been some portion of this termination that was justified and, if she is able to understand that portion, it will be of great benefit to her as she moves forward to her new role and position.  What could she have done differently to have avoided the termination?  Were there conversations or other corrections provided, however subtlely, that would have aided her in adjusting her performance to the desired expectations?  Although she was identified as employee of the month in June of 1998, had her performance somehow changed or not progressed with changing times?  This, too, could have created difficulties for her.  The intent is not to open wounds, but to find a place of healing for Janet with regard to her 10-year relationship with this church.

    Second, I believe it is important for Janet to consider the life of Joseph who, although wronged, came to know of God’s soverignty in every situation.  2 Corinthians 2:14 seems particularly relevant--God always causes us to triumph in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  This is equally true for Janet, despite the fact that at the moment she may not feel as if she’s triumphing.

    Third, also present in Janet’s letter, I believe, was a plea for help.  How does she find a job at this stage?  One recommendation that I would offer to Janet is that she leverage her professional friendships and relationships to network her way into a new job.  Sending out resumes is seldom useful.  Resumes are often electronically scanned and are not even seen by a person until they’ve passed through the electronic gauntlet.  By making contact with people whom she knows, Janet will be better able to find positions that may be posted, or may not be posted.  She will also be able to receive support from people who know her and wish her well.  And, at this stage of her life, good support is a good thing.

  • Posted by

    I’m just going to share a very short response based on my 28 years in the youth ministry. Basically, church leaders very seldom respond to staff situations from the perspective of GRACE. Jesus’ directions in Matthew 18 are regularly ignored, so expecting justice unfortunately can’t realistically be expected.  It’s a sad commentary on the church & its leaders, but it is what it is.

  • Posted by

    I was terminated by my church on my 4th year evaluation. I had received stellar comments and evaluations in all my previous ones, but on this 4th one, I received a rather detailed list of all my major faults, and then given the choice of either resigning or succeeding at a list of impossible goals to be accomplished in an incredibly short time period. While I knew there were some issues to resolve in my ministry (as anyone could point out in any ministry), I was blindsided by the speed and severity of the action taken. It was truly a ‘shock and awe’ manuever by some of the senior leaders of the church who had intentions of hiring a guy they wanted in my position who was available for the job. My imediate boss who did the firing had even served in a university setting as an expert on human resources prior to being in ministry, which astounded me even more, that he’d be part and parcel to this maneuver. The evaluation process (I use those terms loosely) itself was grossly flawed and inept, and when I showed all my papers to people I knew who worked in other fields like law and business, they were shocked and dismayed over the inferior quality of the entire process. One of them even said that if that had happened in a business environment, a lawsuit would have followed suit.
    While my termination & departure boiled down to an issue of style and philosophy of ministry, my competence and gifting were questioned and scrutinized in the process. It was a dark moment for me and my family. My wife and I came to the conclusion that while the decision (to let me go) may not have been avoidable, the manner in which it was done was woefully inadequate, manipulative, and undignifying to me or even others involved in this affair. The church already had a reputation for being a “pastor killer”, and my affair just reinforced and amplified it.

    Eventually, a few months later, we met with the chairman of the elder board, not to argue the issue, but to share our hearts so he could hear the pain that this type of decision caused in us. By the end, he apologized for the manner in which things were handled, and promised that he would initiate some steps in the firing process so that issues would be more equitably handled and would not come across as brutal or harsh.

    As to your own heart and recovery, here’s what God has shown me since then. God took me and moved me to a new church that is more home to me than any I’ve served in for the last 10+ years, where I minister to people in areas of my delight and strength, and most of all, my family has made strong connections and friendships with people in the church.
    I’ve also discovered that I became driven in my ministry outlook, because I did not ever want to be fired again. I found myself saying that it’s better to just work hard and please people instead of pace myself and be intimate with Jesus, and that is a lie from the pit of hell. It’s been almost 3 years now, and I am still peeling back the layers and asking Jesus to go deeper into my heart in this matter and draw out the dark thoughts and transform them into something redemptive. I’ve forgiven the major players, but the issue is now to see God more fully transform me in my inner man because of this situation. He is at work in me on this, but the deeper works are the longer and harder ones that take place. So don’t be surprized that it might a recurring item for months, and that even 2-4 years later, God is pulling out pieces for you to examine in your heart. That’s OK, and it is part of his refining process in our character. I find it a good thing for Jesus to pull out these pieces and encourage me to grow closer to him through it.
    Don’t be afraid to express anger, bitterness, fear, and outrage to trusted othes around you. And don’t be surprised if you feel those things come out again and again for a while. God is not afraid of your pain, nor your responses to it. Let him have it--he can take it. And amazingly, he loves you just as much after you’re done venting and ranting as before. And he will take care of you. My prayer is that you see his hand of provision on you over the next year, and that you see his intimacy through this pocess so you can recover and find wholeness and grace and live as a follower of Christ even after a painful affair like this one.

  • Posted by

    I was fired just last friday myself.  I had only worked at the church for a little over 2 months.  I was the new youth director there.  I had actually been warned about the church, even by its associate pastor, about how the people there were more caught up on their money than the spiritual lives of the kids.  Most members there were quite well-to-do on money.  You should have seen the parking lot full of expensive cars under 3 yrs old.  I was told the church was viewed more as a country club instead of a church, and that I should be careful who I try to please.

    Well of course, as a youth worker, someone who has had the desire to lead youth to a more intimate relationship with Christ for more than 6 yrs, my main concern was the youth.  I came up with great lesson plans, games, and other activities.  I dealt with counselors that always turned away when I walked into the room.  But the kids really liked me.  My goal was to make the youth group something the kids had a say in, where they chose some of their activities and lessons.  Apparantly this didn’t go over well with the other counselors.  I did everything I could to reach out to them, but they wouldn’t reach back.  I know there was also a problem with the fact that I wasn’t the same denomination as they were (although our denominations weren’t really all that different, and even shared a common history).  Six weeks into the job, I was called in for evaluation.  Lots of complaints were thrown my way.  Parents complaining that I was not letting them know what was going on.  And that was a lie because I sent out calendars to the homes, sent postcards as reminders, sent out emails to youth and parents, put a schedule in our newsletter (which went out 2x’s a month), and put announcements in the bulletin. I did everything but go to each house and personally sit with the parents and explain the next couple of weeks of activities with them.  I even invited them to sit in on our meetings and suppers, but none would.  And with the lack of support, I ended up getting terminated.  When one counselor found out, the only one who was ever on my side, she emailed me and let me know that I was set up to fail.  And she was sad that she couldn’t do more to stop it.  She said that the kids were upset and confused.  I know the kids weren’t told the truth.  And I don’t want them to think that I abandoned them right when they were beginning to trust me.  So I’m quite torn myself as to whether or not to email them and let them know that I didn’t.  I’m just afraid if the parents find out, they’ll dub me as a troublemaker as well. 

    I have filed for unemployment so I hope this state lets me have it.  I’ve been working on my resume`, posting it all over online, and I’ll be sending out about 30 or more this week.  It’s tough because I’m in seminary right now, cannot afford even to live on my own (I really wasn’t making much at all at that church, so I’ve been stuck living with my parents).  And it seems that 90% of the youth director jobs around here are needed in that same denomination, and I’m afraid to try that again.  I am, however, leaning towards smaller churches, where the people aren’t as rich.  I have now seen first hand how money really does corrupt.

    I pray one day, God will open the eyes of people who create such injustices in the church, and let them see that we’re all humans who cannot be perfect, and that God doesn’t belong to any one denomination, and that we’re equal in His sight.

  • Posted by

    I have mixed feelings about Ken’s response.  “You were part of a community for 10 years and almost no one knows about what happened.” Trust me, if you have been part of a church staff for 10 years, there is a lot going on behind the scenes in a situation like this. 

    Every staff member has their fans and their detractors.  One hopes the former greatly outnumber the latter.  Those who had a special relationship with Janet are hurt as well and still trying to process what they may feel is an injustice too.  And there is talk. For the victim there is, unfortunately, the desire to know what is being said and “right” any wrongs.  That’s human nature.

    Staff know you better than anyone.  Sometimes they don’t respond because (1) they don’t have a clue what to say, and (2) they may fear for their own jobs as well.  And after you have been gone for awhile, sad as it is, staff get back in the throes of their own challenges and schedules.

    There are also two sides to every story, so we’re working from the disadvantage of not knowing what the specific issue or long term history was in this situation.  However, there is no denying that “termination at will” without a severe reason (immorality, heresy, etc.) is not the path any church should ever take.  We should be wiser and more compassionate than the world in these areas...and many secular companies would not take the same approach with their employees.  It leaves the staff member with the feeling they have embezzled funds from the church...or worse.  It’s not Christ-honoring.

    The reality is, however, that some church leaders are unable to admit they made an error in the way they handled things.  An injustice was done, and never righted.  It may still never be “righted.” So what do you do?

    My personal opinion is that a letter is not a good alternative.  Unless, of course, you simply write it to get out all of your feelings...and then destroy it.  That can be therapeutic.  But if you seriously consider the example of Christ in any situation such as this...you will realize that he suffered tremendous injustices...more than you or I could ever experience...and he absolutely did no wrong in his life or in his response to the injustice.  Peter reminds us of that when he talks of what kind of behavior truly finds favor with God.  And it specifically refers to suffering unjustly (I Peter 2:18ff.)

    As a side note, unfortunately for Christian workers, many states allow churches to be exempt from unemployment insurance, which puts a double burden on the staff member who is fired.  Another injustice.

    Not everything in this world can be made right this side of eternity.  However, brokenness and heartache are also part of the pruning process God allows us to go through to deepen our intimacy and dependency on Him.  It’s actually an act of love...even when it doesn’t feel like it.  It’s when we most identify with Christ as well.  And the goal is to conform us to the image of his son.  It’s the process that hurts. 

    God can and will redeem every situation for our good.  It’s a matter of trust.  “Will not the judge of all the earth do right?”

    Janet is wise to want to “guard her heart.” Satan will continue to bombard her mind with the sense of injustice.  But God is greater...if she will allow him to bring necessary healing.

    And by the way...I speak from experience.  Two and a half years of unemployment after being asked to resign without cause from a large church. A stroke since then.  Several interviews...but no new job.  Yet God has continued to consistently provide, and healing continues to be a meaningful part of the process.

    It’s not easy, Janet.  It hurts.  Often deeply.  But God’s grace is greater.  People are watching you.  They want to see Jesus.  Give them hope for their own hurts.

  • Posted by

    I experienced a similar occurrence about 2 years ago.  The difference was that the person firing was the pastor and I was faced with signing a (forced) resignation letter with limited severance or being fired outright with no severance.  I also only had a limited time to vacate the church premises.  My advice coincides with much of what has already been given, but also differs somewhat. 
    First, I would not include emotional “I feel...” statements in the letter.  I had done the same thing, expressing my grievances to the Personnel Committee in a letter prior to my firing, about the pastor and the difficulties we were having.  I was told by a trusted friend on the committee that this particular approach worked against me.  I suggested that I should have simply stated factual information, supported with documentation. I had given the documentation but it was clouded by my emotional statements.  If your church polity is such that it operates from a corporate mentality versus a congregational approach, I believe the more factual letter would be preferred. 
    Like you, I also faced the loss of medical insurance in a severe severance package.  My approach was to approach a trusted deacon with just the basic information about what was happening and sought his advice as to whether it was appropriate.  He never sought to restore my position, (I didn’t want that anyway), but he did exude influence that got me an equitable severance that not only helped financially, but restored some sense of personal dignity. It also let other people in the church know something of what was happening so that I received support from people who cared about me personally and appreciated my ministry.  Even though I was legally bound not to discuss specifics, just knowing that someone could listen to and sense my hurt was so restorative.
    Finally, God gets the blame/credit for a lot of things He did/didn’t do.  I do know that I have seen how God has worked through this experience in so many ways to make me a better minister, a healthier person, a more connected husband/father, but I had to be patient and trusting to see it happen.  Look for how God can help you to grow as well.

  • Posted by Gene Brooks

    Something like this happened to me September 3 in West Africa.  Our NC-based humanitarian relief/evangelism organization had informed us a few weeks earlier that they had replaced and demoted me.

    I and my wife wrote a rebuttal. We used first person, but our mistake was making it too lengthy. They didn’t have time for it.  Our major mistake was using second person, “You did this, you did that to us.” Not productive, because for my supervisor it became a personal attack and a “dirty letter.” The upper level bosses were obliged to defend him.

    Meantime the real issues were lost in the melee, the secondary place of evangelism in an organization that said evangelism was first place. My contract was terminated. They told me to get on the next plane.  My pregnant wife was in FL for an ultrasound, so I packed everything myself and left in four days. We had to leave most of it.

    The nationals thought we’d done something immoral or worse. Our local church in SC was glad we’re home but confused as to why we were back early. This is a small town where everybody’s business is front page.

    It has been hard; we both have dealt with depression. We stood up for the right thing, and we would do it again, but I feel hurt by God. A subsequent stateside meeting with the organization’s bosses was positive. They admitted mistakes, are covering our medical for the baby, and paying one of our contracts out.

    The bright side: We’re home for the holidays with our first baby boy on the way!

  • Posted by

    In my experience, the issue is never the issue and one-way explanations of a situation (via a letter without having the benefit of hearing from the other side) are rarely objective and need to be viewed with some measure of skepticism, especially when it comes from a hurt or disgruntled employee.  One red flag that caught my attention is that Janet sensed that what she had done was wrong and asked for mercy, grace and forgiveness . . . which indicates to me that maybe this wasn’t an innocent first experience.  My point is not that we should never give mercy, grace and forgiveness for bad choices.  The advice given is great advice for what was reported . . . unfortunately such advice can also be used to justify or affirm a situation that it was not intended to justify if the facts and background are skewed in some way.  And we all know that reporting facts about an emotional event like being fired can be a hard thing to do.  The other relevant fact here is that Janet’s problems seemed to be with a succeeding administrator and not with the one who hired her.  I’ve found that this is frequently a problem in the workplace since the professional, personal and emotional commitments and loyalties usually reside strongest with those that hire us for the merit we presented at our interview or through the relationship we’ve developed over time that started with my hiring you.  When a person inherits an employee, there is a very different dynamic at work, often a sense of entitlement and less of a need to express one’s loyalty and commitment through the same kind of service that they gave to their hiring supervisor.  This is why in every situation I’ve ever been in, I have alway offered my resignation to an incoming boss so that the past can be cleared from consideration and so new allegiances are created afresh . . . it also allows the new boss to create a team of his/her own that will have those allegiances.

  • Posted by

    From personal experience:
    1. There is life and ministry after termination, although it doens’t necessarily happen quickly or easily.
    2. Don’t quit your spiritual disciplines even though you don’t feel interested. I found wonderful consolation in the Psalms. I read the Psalms each month for a number of years and journaled my thoughts.
    3. Little will be accomplished by contacting the church of your situation because there is likely more to your termination than presented. A wise sage remarked, “There are two reason for every event - the stated reason and the real reason.”
    4. Work through your emotions. But don’t let them get the upper hand. Allowing your hurt to become disillusionment or bitterness gives this person the upper hand and cripples you for the rest of your life.
    5. Interviewing for a new position shortly after termination is difficult because the search team can feel your anger and disappointment. Neither of these emotions make an attractive pastor.
    6. Look for alternative income sources while you heal. The change can be beneficial to your mental health.
    7. Keep close to your dearest friends. Isolation is an enemy to moving forward.
    8. There’s no 4-step procedure to perform to get this behind you. It will require concerted effort to let this go (forgive). One day will be hopeful, the next pitiful. Persevere!!!

    Mark

  • Posted by

    This is a perfect example of why there is so many problems in the world.  If the church is this bad (and it is, too much) how can we expect the world to come to Christ?  We can’t.  I am so sorry for Ken, and pray that he’ll remember that God doesn’t operate like fallible human beings do, even the bride of Christ, who in this day and age, act more like whores than a bride.  Shame on us.  I pray that God is more merciful to us than we are to each other.

  • Posted by

    Look at what the church has become!  Youth Pastors especially had better get used to this kind of treatment.  In the area where we pastored the life expectancy of a youth pastor was 8 months.  At the last church we were at one of the kids there who is now 20, commented that she has had 9 youth pastors since she has been there.
    Dear Friends it is a sign of the times we live in and a sign that Judgment is going to begin in the house of the Lord! Because He is coming back!! This kind of behavior is happening to people all over this nation.  You will find that you will get treated better in the secular business world than the church!
    Please don’t be downcast at what kind of treatment we have gotten, though painful and though it takes some time to get over, remember that Jesus said, “when they persecute you, remember they persecuted me first.” Sometimes the Lord will take you out of a place because He has something better for you or He has another assignment.  He will take you out of a place kicking and screaming if you are not careful to be in prayer during your time there and listening to His leading.  Maybe if you look back you could sence some times that you felt that it was time to move on, but for what ever reason maybe money, love of that location, love of the kids, not willing to rock the boat, you stayed.  The point is to not look back at what is behind but to press on towards the mark that call us ever higher in Him.
    We will continue to see things like this happening in our organized churches as the Holy Spirit is being greived more and more in those buildings.  It is the absence of His presence that causes behavior like this.  Especially if you are the one being faithful to Him, and not compromising His word.  Your “fire” will make them feel cold! Getting you out is the only way that the conviction of their lifestyle is eased.
    Continue on in His calling on your life.  Don’t worry about medical bills, mortgages, what you will eat or wear.  He wants to take care of you and you can only do what you can do.  Keep a good attitude with the joy of the Lord being your strength!  Rise above this world and its’impressions of you.  Jesus wants to be your all in all!!

  • Posted by

    I think a wrongful dismissal complaint would be appropriate here.  As part of the outrage Ken invites her to express, I think a complaint to the labour relations office of government might get a whole lot more attention.  Start out with the letter that Ken advises.  If you are not satisfied, go to the labour relations office and file complaint.  Hiring and firing in churches is no different than that of anywhere else:  Justice and fairness must prevail.  All the more in churches who proclaim the kingdom of Christ.  When it doesn’t happen, sometimes God uses the sword of the government to shame the leaders of the church and uphold the value of fairness and justice.  Keep it as an option.

  • Posted by

    This situation will continue until Jesus returns.I empathize with you Janet , as I was “asked to leave” because the campus ministry I was involved in was on “company time”.The church in America has become a “business” and only pretends to do the work of Christ. It is a front for egos and salaries and self gratification. I contend we need a revolution! A return to the power and strength of the Holy Spirit and a tearing down of the “institutional” Church(sic).........I pray you will become like me...not bitter....but motivated.....motivated to give MORE of your heart and life to Jesus.....May God Bless you and be with you in this time.Robert

  • Posted by

    As a retired pastor working with a renewal organization that deals with churches that need turn around interim ministries, I am very much saddened by the state of the evangelical churches in America.

    Janet, this is not helpful to you, probably, but is aimed as an appeal to churches, pastors, administrators to get back to a biblical approach to handling conflict situations.  When conflict occurs, the Lord gives us the right procedures that are to be followed in Matthew 18:15ff to seek to resolve our differences and grievances. 

    In staff situations, there can be issues of incompetence, or issues of meeting expectations, and sometimes a staff person may not be the right fit for the particular minstry.  However, even when a person must be terminated, if it is not for some moral fall or heresy, it must be handled in a loving, Christ-like manner.

    Seldom does a situation require immediate firing, unless a staff person is being totally unresponsive to counsel and is resisting authority.  If a termination is the only solution, can’t the church become more caring, more patient in resolving the termination?  Can’t a staff person be allowed three months to find another job, while continuing to serve in the church?  Shouldn’t a person be given a proper severance pachage that considers health care insurance for an extended period?  Isn’t this the compassionate, Christ-like way to handle these situations?

    Churches, let’s wake up and be more like Christ in our ways of handling our pastors and staff.

    Norm Anderson

  • Posted by

    All of the comments, including one that was very angry reflect what will swirl around for years. I’ve gone through similar experiences and can fully relate. Two things you can find in scripture have been a guide for me. (1) Always remain faithful to God no matter the circumstances (2) Always move forward.
    People involved in ministry can get locked into that as a “profession” and then employment fears can lead to compromise or cutthroat behavior. I went back to school to get a “tentmaking” skill and have never regretted it. I always looked for ministry opportunities, but could always make “tents”. Even now, by being frugal when making “tents”, God has provided the means for my wife to work on a Ph.D. while I explore various outreach ministries and neither of us currently has a job.
    So, my advice is to move forward (which might involve a “tentmaking” skill. And keep your faith strong, which is so important in these end times that Jesus questioned whether there would be faith on the earth when He returned. There are a lot of little people out there who are bullies and who lord it over others but the best way to shrug it off is to move beyond them. (I’ll be praying for you).

  • Posted by

    I was terminated after 90 days at the end of August. When I was hired it was on a 90 day probationary basis. I passed the test as far as job performance. I was also the one who contacted the human resources committee at the end of the 90 days. When I was told that I was being laid off it came as a complete shock. It was my first ministry position. In my case I was terminated due to lack of funds at the church. They did not want to let me go but they had to for money reasons.
    I can sure identify with the whole insurance issue. I am actually on my states insurance for the poor and indigent. Due to a birth defect private insurance companies will not touch me.

  • Posted by

    I am amazed and encouraged by the article account and the comments.  For my husband and I have also been used and abused in ministry, after 15 years of faithful service.  No severence pay either. Loss of health insurance is soon coming. Basically church leaders and people really don’t know what they want in a Pastor.  They hire you for several qualifications and reasons.  And then when you give them what they ask for, they change their mind.  And turn against you!  They want a Bible expositor, for example, so the Pastor preaches the Word and most of the congregation get angry because you are pointing out sin issues and needs to change.  They ask for development of a private Christian school.  You make efforts for years to develop it, then they complain about the commitment that is needed.  It is hard to hear about a Senior Pastor “firing” their assistants in such a manner.  It should not be this way in the church.  It is also horrible that the congregation basically “fires” their pastor because they don’t care to follow him anymore. Turn to gossip and slander against their Pastor, until he has no recourse but the resign.  That decision is out of love for the flocks, hopefully to stimulate them to examine their hearts.  But the person to loose is the Pastor and family.

  • Posted by

    Janet, I totally understand what you’re going through.  I left a very lucrative attorney job to go work for my church about 2 years ago.  My pastor fired me when I was 4 months pregnant, had just bought a house, and had a 6 month baby.  To this day I haven’t received a TRUE explanation for his actions.  I wasn’t eligible for unemployment either because the church I worked for opted not to pay into it under the “religous organization” exemption. Mostly due to my anger and hurt (but also for financial reasons after having attempted to get them to give me a reasonable severance), I filed a discrimination claim against the church with the EEOC.  I know that the Bible tells us that we shouldn’t do that, but at that time I was dealing with people who weren’t acting like the “church” that Paul describes, and I felt this was the only way to protect my family.  After over 7 months of bickering, having my credit destroyed, borrowing money, and trying to keep have a safe pregnancy amongst all of the turmoil, I was able to get a somewhat reasonable settlement, but the biggest loss was that I was no longer able to worship at my church home of 15 years.  The environment is so centered around the Pastor, and not Christ, that I have also lost many relationships that I considered near and dear.  Because I haven’t had a mechanism to really address the emotional and spiritual damage that this experience caused me, its taken me longer to get over it (which I truly haven’t-but i’m coping).  Let me offer you a couple of things: First, God WILL make a way; and when he does, all of the hurt, pain, financial problems, etc. will seem like it occurred centuries ago.  You will come out of this with no visible scars knowing that only God got you through it.  Secondly, don’t waste your time writing the Board. Things like this can’t happen in a church if the leadership doesn’t condone it in some fashion, either convertly or overtly.  Find yourself a church that is conducive to YOUR spirit. They crucified Jesus, and He came to save the world, so you should know what the “saints” at the church will do for you.  Likewise, do what Jesus did.  Get up!  Get yourself up, shake off the dust, get out of those graveclothes, and move on.  Believe me...time heals EVERYTHING! Third, don’t try to figure out why it happened.  Sometimes the things that we attribute to the enemy are really God’s blessings designed to get you out of a situation or relationship that He didn’t want you in...notice I said “HE” didn’t want you in, not “YOU”.  Often, it has to be so ugly that you won’t ever want to be in it again. That’s what I know happened with me, and may be what happened with you.  I will keep you in my prayers.  God bless you.

  • Posted by

    This URL was sent me by a friend who knows I’ve been through the same thing - only with a bit of a twist.  Working as a female pastor in a large church, I had been trained for over 3 years to fill in for the Pastor who ministered to the 50+ crowd in the congregation. At the time of their retirement it was anticipated by myself and many others, that I would naturally be considered for the position.  One day I was brought into the Administrator’s office and told “Your employment relationship with us is terminated effective immediately.” I was given 45 minutes to clear out my office, hand in my keys and leave the building. When I inquired as to what I had done wrong I was told “Nothing - in fact we’ve been very happy with your service.” The bottom line, and I was told this with a witness in the interview, was that they wanted a male to do the job so they terminated me. 
    I must admit I went through various stages of disbelief, anger, grief, etc., and even contacted my lawyer to let him know what had happened and what I needed to do to protect myself (the practice of this church has been to sully the reputation of fired personnel after the fact to keep the churches reputation “clean"). 
    In the end, the Lord took me through a (now) 2 year path of healing - I’m still healing - and I came to realize that each of those stages was necessary so that He could do some open heart surgery in me. God is my justice - humans cannot be trusted for justice as our hearts are not like His. But every trial, every fire we encounter refines our characters so we begin more and more to reflect the One who chose God’s will rather than human justice. 
    May the Lord bring you to a place of peace, Janet, of healing AND of provision.

  • Posted by

    Wow, this whole string of postings sure picked at the scars in my heart.
    It seems like we have forgotten how to take care of one another, how to live Biblically and respond Biblically to the actions and reactions of people in the church.
    Messy stuff, hurtful stuff, often goes on in the middle of a people that are called the children of God.  I think I’m starting to like being around unchurched people more and more.
    But there is hope for all who’ve been hurt in ministry.  There is still One who knows and walks with us through the hurtful times.  Let it all go into His hands, and resist the temptation to pick it up and examine it again.  There is healing and help in Jesus.

  • Posted by

    I offer this from the employer’s perspective.  Having served as the head of the same ministry for 23 years with 50 employees...there is no easy way to deal with the release or termination of an employee.  Saying to much can get you into legal trouble.  Taking too much time can build alliances and divide the ministry.  Not taking long enough, or not giving fair warning engenders injustice.
    It seems the problem began for Janet when the administration changed.  There were probably wrongs on both sides.  All our staff serve “at will” and earn their positions every day.  Janet should have taken the initiative to communicate with the administration and insist upon regular evaluations...especially if she suspected that there were problems.  But since that is “water under the bridge” I would encourage her to close the door on the past and work harder at making those alliances in a new ministry.

  • Posted by

    Dear Friend,

    How innocent of you to think, that we at the church level,would act with compassion and/or understanding or forgiveness. Yes we should. Yes we should see everything in the light of the same love, compassion and understanding that Jesus sees us with but we do not.

    Whos at fault? well, the world system has “jumped” into the church because of our many years of running the business as a hazardly organized unit instead of a stellar institution of grace. Now law suits and our own ignorance of the world system around us has caused many to HIRE Human Resource Managers and administrators who are NOT Pastors or even Pastoral in nature to run our business side of the church se now we err on the rigged side of grace. Is there such a thing as the rigged side of grace?

    My advice is seek employment in the world system and seek repose in His arms.

  • Posted by Victor A. King

    I first read Janet’s story when she posted it on Oct 14, 2004. I was disturbed that quite a lot of people passed by her story then without showing concerns. But I’m somehow glad that Todd has raised the issue today as the main focus.

    I’ve read through most of the responses. Yet, I suppose Janet ought to be assisted materially and financially. This is a Christian community. Our love should go beyond words of encouragement.

    Todd, are you reading?

  • Posted by

    ALERT!

    I admire you for wanting to avoid creating any conflict or turmoil in your church… BUT, you need to go to your pastor “yesterday” and tell him everything.  The jerk who fired you and the idiots who supported that evil act of satan need to be called onto the church carpet, and reprimanded for their hateful, selfish, evil, horrible, cruel, actions! The way they treaged you/ are treating you is NOT RIGHT… if indeed it is as you say it is. If everything is as you said, they did not do anything like the Bible says.  So, defend your self in a biblical manner, and start with the pastor, convene a meeting of the Personnel Committee, and talk to anyone in the church who will listen and those who supported you.  People will ask, “Where did he disappear to” and they need to know there are a bunch of clowns running the church who should not be running it… it sounds to me like they ought to be down at Burger King flipping frozen patties.

    Some will say that I do not know what I am talking about—but I do!  Some will say doing this will only create conflict in your church.  But, I am convinced that the day of a few men in a church making decisons on their own that destroys lives, carrerrs, families, call to ministry, etc. is long gone!  It is not RIGHT!  It needs to be stopped.  There are unfortunate ministers all across the USA who are force-terminated every day for no good reason… For just, as you say here, because of personality differences… and that is not right! 

    What is my background?  Well, I am currently a pastor of a growing, thriving, church that runs 500 in AM worship, I have been a pastor for 20 years, was a youth pastor for 5, have a B.S. Ed.; M.Div.; and an ‘fully-earned’ D.Min (not a mail order degree from a paper-diploma mill like Luther Rice, etc!!).  Trust me, I did NOT fall off the turnip truck of ministry life yesterday!  I have pretty much seen it all, and I do not like a lot of what I have seen!  Your situation is an example of something I do not like!  I am sorry brother that another “Christian” treated you this way… I even wonder if this jerk is saved, but that is up to God to judge, not us.

    Plus, I have been on both sides of this issue—having to ask people to resign, and resigning myself (mine was NOT a foreced termination, but I left a large church along with all five full-time staff members at the same time) due to 6 evil laymen in the church.  So, I know there are right and wrong ways to deal with Staff, and this was done in a WRONG way.  So, you go boy, and defend yourself, honor Jesus’ name in the process, and we will pray that jerk gets his!

    Pastor RLT

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