Mark’s video was excellent.  They really prevented their people receiving a good word by not distributing this at the conference.

I guess when you’re Bill Hybels, you don’t have to follow Matt 18 by starting with a private conversation instead of being in front of the whole conference. Does success breed immunity?

Maybe Hybels meant it more gently than reported, Driscoll’s views on women have been widely blogged, flogged, and dogged, so what did he do or say in the video that surprised you? I had a bigger problem with how Driscolll used the word, “bang.”

I guess even though you are smart enough to work with Todd Rhodes, you may not be wise enough to know that when you bring Mark Driscoll on board you can expect certain viewpoints to be expressed.  Driscoll didn’t express anything that was out of character for him.

I was at the conference as well.  Driscoll’s comments implied that women really have no place in leadership in God’s church.  My concern was not with his view or implication, but with the placement of the video at the conference.  We expected it to be some sort of greeting or pep talk from Driscroll and it was an 8 minute teaching video right before Hybels took the stage… that was a bad decision on the part of the event organizers.  Hybels’ comments were simply his position on women in ministry… NOT… a rebuke of Driscoll.  The event, overall, was awesome!  Let’s get on with building God’s Kingdom.

The man in the picture is Dr. Gene Scott; the ‘cussing’ preacher in question.

you know what’s funny? this was supposed to be a leadership conference, and there must be 50 or so posts on here about 2 “boys” getting into a catfight.
dont’ get me wrong. i’m a big hybles fan. have been for years. but it was a bit tacky.
the biggest issue here is we’ve never learned to agree to dissagree. so what, driscoll hates women. so what hybles hates men! who freaking CARES!

this is like the church’s version of DONALD TRUMP VS. ROSIE O’DONNEL.
i would have much rathered heard more about the leadership principles, than the classic “OOHHHH, THE CHURCH STINKS, WERE ALL GOING TO BE EXTINCT IN 10 MINUTES” video’s,
or the
LOOK AT US, WE WERE A POOR CHURCH, NOW WERE HUGE, WITH TREE’S speeches.

we get all that. GIVE ME FOOD!

i mean it would have been better to hear about that, or i don’t know?????
SOULD BEING WON?

but please, please please, we must fill our our version of ENQUIRER, with this VERY URGENT WRITTINGS.

come on christian!!!!!!!!!!!
pay99

I attended the session.  Here is my take.  Marks 8 minute video had something’s good to say, but did not fit the context.  Also Mark is always heavily slanted toward men, this was no exception.

Hybels, who was already rushed for time, balanced the scale.  In context, Mark’s comments were good.  In context Hybels comments were refreshing.  The problem I had is is this; why were we watched 8 minutes of video while we had the real deal there ready to engage?  The video was out of context added nothing to the conversation.

Hybels gave a great talk, but I had to leave before it was over, because he got up late and I had to go the airport.

I liked Hybels courage.  I don’t think he was attacking Mark, only giving a much welcomed balance to the slanted presentation we had just scene.

David Foster
Thegatheringnashville.com

I think Gene Scott is dead.  So that’s a dead issue so to speak.

Personally, I think Hybels has a great point.  YOu do not have to put women in thier “place” to build up men.  If a man thinks he needs to be king to feel power over a woman then he isn’t a man and has some problems.

M2cents,
Al

Carole and Al,

Great case in point.  Have you watched the video that was presented by Driscoll?  I dont’ think anywhere in there did Driscoll put women in their ‘place’ or take an ‘anit-woman slant’.  His point, I think, was that reaching men has a great impact on our society.

No one diminishes that influence that fathers have in family situations and in how children mature and develop.  Why should we think differently about the influence of men when it comes to the church?

I didn’t hear Driscoll say anything about women pastors; or even about women in ministry in this video.  (I’ll have to re-watch it, I guess).  So, what he’s really being pegged on are 1.  his reputation in this area; and 2.  his previous spoken words on women in ministry.  This video had little or nothing to do with either.

Overall, this is just coming down as an “I like Driscoll” or “Driscoll is disgusting” view.  Whatever you thought of the guy before, you’ll probably be reinforced in that thinking.

My only thought is that that is not entirely fair in this situation.

Todd

Todd,

Fair enough.  I have not seen the video, and I should have started my comments about the role of men in another paragraph.  I don’t know much about Mark, just what I have read here or there, so my comment was more general then specific on him.  Sorry for the confusion.

Al

Todd - like your postings in general, but brother - on this one I must respectfully and gracefully disagree -

I did watch the video, and in my humble opinion, this is just another cleverly disguised theological offensive by Rev. Driscoll to divide the body of Christ over secondary issues. 

I attended the conference last year, and was dismayed to hear Rev. Driscoll 1) slam women in his church planters “boot camp” (several women who attended that event were visibly affected after his presentation on male/female roles), and 2) “scream” his message from the stage during his public presentation.  This sounds harsh, but if you’re going to attack others on theological positions on a regular basis (which he does), then don’t be suprised when others hold you accountable for it, which is exactly what Bill Hybels seemed to do

Gene Scott Rocks
http://www.drgenescott.com

As a huge Driscoll fan, I was a little disappointed with the video when I saw it.  I think it was not right for the context in which it was presented..  Driscoll spoke on the same subject at a conference in Canada a few weeks ago, and I think he did a much better job. 

http://www.willingdon.org/refocus/default.asp?id=760

Usually when he speaks, he does an excellent job of laying the groundwork and presenting a pretty tight case.  I don’t think he could do this in 8 minutes.  The video would have been fine within the Acts 29 network where most folks are on the same page..

Also for a guy who is tired of being called the “cussing pastor”, using the acronym “B.S.” certainly isn’t going to help your reputation much.

Let me set the record straight about this once and for all. I was a volunteer at the conference and worked with Scott from Acts 29 all week on the logistics of handling the video out. We also had 1800 Acts 29 brochures that did not arrive in time to be put in the bags at the beginning of the conference. As the conference was winding down we made a decision to hand the videos and brochures out via tables and volunteers at the 3 main doors and not each door to the sanctuary. We just did not have the people to do this nor was it feasible due to exit strategy. In no way, and I know first hand as I was in on the conversation, was their EVER any discussion by anyone associated with the conference that I know of NOT to hand out the video due to Bill Hybels remarks. What was quoted above IS THE QUOTE he said. You will be able to see for yourself when the main session videos are available on the conference website.
These rumors about the video being pulled from being given out are just NOT true. I know first hand what happened and now the record should be straight.